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    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    I'm curious, were there any white slaves at that time in America?

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    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    What the OP failed to provide, is that the term and concept of racism did not exist prior to 1932, and was only recognized in 1936 when describing the Nazi theories about race. The prior term, "racialism" was used in the earliest forms in 1871.

    Second, that the modern view of racism is different than the historical concept of racism. In 1776 there was no such concept and only when we, today, use the modern definition of racism do we see the inequality of other races in 1776 as "racist". In 1776, there was inequality, there were haves and have nots of all colors, origins, and even religions (for example, Catholics were seen in a very bad way through the founding of the U.S.), but there was no concept back then of someone not treating a black man, a slave or even an American Indian as being "racist". That... is a modern concept and interpretation. Transport yourself back in time to 1776 and there is no "racism".
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Slavery is tied with greed and racism, otherwise they would've enslaved everyone, not just blacks.
    Contrary to popular belief there were white slaves and black slave owners in the US.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    I'm curious, were there any white slaves at that time in America?
    Yes, they were called "indentured servants". These people were not paid wages, but worked to pay off their food, clothing, travel expenses or other such debts for a specified period of time. Again, in a MODERN interpretation of what is called "slavery" an indentured servant was a form of slave.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes, they were called "indentured servants". These people were not paid wages, but worked to pay off their food, clothing, travel expenses or other such debts for a specified period of time. Again, in a MODERN interpretation of what is called "slavery" an indentured servant was a form of slave.
    OK but did the master own the indenture servant's life or just his work?

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    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What the OP failed to provide, is that the term and concept of racism did not exist prior to 1932, and was only recognized in 1936 when describing the Nazi theories about race. The prior term, "racialism" was used in the earliest forms in 1871.

    Second, that the modern view of racism is different than the historical concept of racism. In 1776 there was no such concept and only when we, today, use the modern definition of racism do we see the inequality of other races in 1776 as "racist". In 1776, there was inequality, there were haves and have nots of all colors, origins, and even religions (for example, Catholics were seen in a very bad way through the founding of the U.S.), but there was no concept back then of someone not treating a black man, a slave or even an American Indian as being "racist". That... is a modern concept and interpretation. Transport yourself back in time to 1776 and there is no "racism".
    If there were people who believe in racial superiority, there was racism. The word just didn't exist yet. Sorry. Moreover, the argument you just presented is a completely separate from argument #2 so start a new thread.
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    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lets see now... they gave legal protection to a system of enslaving a race of people. That reality would get a YES vote from me in this poll.
    Making someone a slave does not mean you think that person is inferior to you in a racial manner. Slavery existed the same reason elected officials today turn a blind eye to illegal immigration.. Cheap Labor.It is the sole reason for slavery. It doesn't if the slave is black,white, Asian or what ever.


    The absurdity that there was a black man or two that they did not enslave and even liked does not negate what they did to almost all of the remainder of the race across the land.
    It was more than one or two that were not slaves. Around 10% of black people were freemen.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    If there were people who believe in racial superiority, there was racism. The word just didn't exist yet. Sorry.
    It's racism only in the modern interpretation. Travel back in time, there was no racism without the modern interpretation of it. Not sure why that concept is so difficult for you to grasp.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's racism only in the modern interpretation. Travel back in time, there was no racism without the modern interpretation of it. Not sure why that concept is so difficult for you to grasp.
    Hint: It's not me, it's you and there are many other people who agree with me.

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    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's racism only in the modern interpretation. Travel back in time, there was no racism without the modern interpretation of it. Not sure why that concept is so difficult for you to grasp.
    It doesn't matter if the word existed back then. Racism is the belief that one's race is superior to other races and or racial hatred or the policy of government that fosters that doctrine. If you hate someone because of their race it doesn't matter if there is a word for it. If you think there are inferior and superior races then you are a racist and if you want a form of government that fosters such ideas then it is racism.There were people back then who thought their race was superior to other races and hated other races.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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