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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I am using liberalism in a modern way simply for clarity - more people understand it in the modern context.

    Alright. How about Jim Crow laws? Women voting? Former treatment of Native Americans? Even the way we conduct war. All of these things have been gradually driven towards change by a liberal stance in their own time. Even today, we see aspects of Jim Crow laws being re-ignited in some of the states by trying to abolish voting drives - the primary form of registration for not only youths, but also minorities - who tend to vote Democrat. And these pieces of legislation are being driven almost exclusively by Republicans (in a modern sense).

    I will allow Bush one moment of brilliance: his ideas on how to deal with the illegal immigration problem. Unilaterally shot down by the rest of the GOP in favor of building a fence and the on-going demonizing of Mexicans.

    I will also allow there are two factions of conservatism. Conservatives were actually the first to suggest gays should be able to marry, back in the 90's. Before conservatism and libertarianism because two very different things. For the purposes of this, I mean social and human rights conservatism/liberalism.
    I know what you mean. It's just harder to find a classical liberal on the left, which is why I think leftist is a better descriptor.

    Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democrats. I don't know how conservative they were.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I know what you mean. It's just harder to find a classical liberal on the left, which is why I think leftist is a better descriptor.

    Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democrats. I don't know how conservative they were.
    Southern Democrats were racists, so were southern republicans, the few of them that were around at that time, plain and simple. Northern Democrats weren't. It had more to do with North/South, instead of liberal/conservative.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Southern Democrats were racists, so were southern republicans, the few of them that were around at that time, plain and simple. Northern Democrats weren't. It had more to do with North/South, instead of liberal/conservative.
    That's not entirely true, but it's not entirely false, either.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Southern Democrats were racists, so were southern republicans, the few of them that were around at that time, plain and simple. Northern Democrats weren't. It had more to do with North/South, instead of liberal/conservative.
    There were plenty of racists in the north.

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    Re: My age is

    Im 19. Im a youngin


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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I know what you mean. It's just harder to find a classical liberal on the left, which is why I think leftist is a better descriptor.

    Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democrats. I don't know how conservative they were.
    Southern Democrats were considered conservative for their time. That's not to say that they were conservative in the modern sense. But they sure as hell weren't liberal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Southern Democrats were racists, so were southern republicans, the few of them that were around at that time, plain and simple. Northern Democrats weren't. It had more to do with North/South, instead of liberal/conservative.
    Not entirely true. Racists existed all around. Abe Lincoln himself was a racist. But it was the Southern Democrats who wanted to keep their "peculiar institution" alive.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Conservatives always advocate a "return" to "the good old days." The thing is, society gets better over time on average. Even if a specific point is lower than a previous point, what's needed is to move forward, or else society will limit itself.
    I wouldn't say all conservatives do that. Those are the people I would label "reactionaries."
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlF View Post
    I'm 17, will be 18 next February.
    What day? I'm 17 too, born on Feb. 7
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Funny post, but I actually enjoy being around young people. Increasingly I have to explain my dated cultural references to them, but for the most part I find them often witty and fun.

    Oh. I'm a few months shy of 50.
    That was my "oh god, I'm an adult" moment. A young boy I was observing for an education class was telling me all about the videos he had watched on youtube. I actually said, "When I was your age", followed by, "...we used camcorders and played the tapes on the TV". He looked at me blankly and then asked what camcorders and tapes were.
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    Re: My age is

    I was glad to see there were 3 more old goats like me....

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