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    ...And yet there's a correlation between what a liberal believes is right, and what conservatives believe is right 50 years later. You'll be hard-pressed to find a conservative who believes we should re-instate slavery. And yet when the Founding Fathers proposed to make a black person count as a fraction of a vote, it was seen as radical liberalism. Seems to suggest liberals are the force of developing morality.

    Conservatives serve an important function. That function, I believe, is to pace the speed of progression in such a way as to not jolt society too hard. But ultimately, they almost always lose. And the conservatives of the next generation believe what the liberals of the former generation did.

    It is understandable older people are more likely to be conservative, as the plasticity of the brain reduces. What kept them alive for 40+ years must be working, right? But if it were left at that, it would be the death of our species on an evolutionary level. Our brains are our only claim to fame. Our moral development is the only thing special about us. And it is essentially the difference between the developed world and the developing world.

    Appeal to authority is a classic sign of the conservative mentality.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    ...And yet there's a correlation between what a liberal believes is right, and what conservatives believe is right 50 years later. You'll be hard-pressed to find a conservative who believes we should re-instate slavery. And yet when the Founding Fathers proposed to make a black person count as a fraction of a vote, it was seen as radical liberalism. Seems to suggest liberals are the force of developing morality.

    Conservatives serve an important function. That function, I believe, is to pace the speed of progression in such a way as to not jolt society too hard. But ultimately, they almost always lose. And the conservatives of the next generation believe what the liberals of the former generation did.

    It is understandable older people are more likely to be conservative, as the plasticity of the brain reduces. What kept them alive for 40+ years must be working, right? But if it were left at that, it would be the death of our species on an evolutionary level. Our brains are our only claim to fame. Our moral development is the only thing special about us. And it is essentially the difference between the developed world and the developing world.

    Appeal to authority is a classic sign of the conservative mentality.
    It was the slave owners in 1787 who wanted to count slaves as whole persons, but for purposes of representation and allocation of taxes. Not for voting.

    The Fathers were classical liberals, and it is classical liberalism that conservatives want to conserve.
    Last edited by LuckyDan; 07-06-11 at 02:04 AM.

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    Re: My age is

    I'll be old enough to vote in one week.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    It was the slave owners in 1787 who wanted to count slaves as whole persons, but for purposes of representation and allocation of taxes. Not for voting.

    The Fathers were classical liberals, and it is classical liberalism that conservatives want to conserve.
    I am using liberalism in a modern way simply for clarity - more people understand it in the modern context.

    Alright. How about Jim Crow laws? Women voting? Former treatment of Native Americans? Even the way we conduct war. All of these things have been gradually driven towards change by a liberal stance in their own time. Even today, we see aspects of Jim Crow laws being re-ignited in some of the states by trying to abolish voting drives - the primary form of registration for not only youths, but also minorities - who tend to vote Democrat. And these pieces of legislation are being driven almost exclusively by Republicans (in a modern sense).

    I will allow Bush one moment of brilliance: his ideas on how to deal with the illegal immigration problem. Unilaterally shot down by the rest of the GOP in favor of building a fence and the on-going demonizing of Mexicans.

    I will also allow there are two factions of conservatism. Conservatives were actually the first to suggest gays should be able to marry, back in the 90's. Before conservatism and libertarianism because two very different things. For the purposes of this, I mean social and human rights conservatism/liberalism.
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    the fourth magic number in physics
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    ...And yet there's a correlation between what a liberal believes is right, and what conservatives believe is right 50 years later. You'll be hard-pressed to find a conservative who believes we should re-instate slavery. And yet when the Founding Fathers proposed to make a black person count as a fraction of a vote, it was seen as radical liberalism. Seems to suggest liberals are the force of developing morality.

    Conservatives serve an important function. That function, I believe, is to pace the speed of progression in such a way as to not jolt society too hard. But ultimately, they almost always lose. And the conservatives of the next generation believe what the liberals of the former generation did.

    It is understandable older people are more likely to be conservative, as the plasticity of the brain reduces. What kept them alive for 40+ years must be working, right? But if it were left at that, it would be the death of our species on an evolutionary level. Our brains are our only claim to fame. Our moral development is the only thing special about us. And it is essentially the difference between the developed world and the developing world.

    Appeal to authority is a classic sign of the conservative mentality.
    Conservatives always advocate a "return" to "the good old days." The thing is, society gets better over time on average. Even if a specific point is lower than a previous point, what's needed is to move forward, or else society will limit itself.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I am using liberalism in a modern way simply for clarity - more people understand it in the modern context.
    Simple clarity? We live in a modern context, therefore a modern context is appropriate - unless we are discussing history. Don't pander to some guy who wants to use archiac terminology to describe himself; he can wear vintage clothing at historical re-enactments - but it's not appropriate here.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 07-06-11 at 02:25 AM.

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    Re: My age is

    I am 23. Born in Birmingham, Al on Feb. 8, 1988.
    If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Simple clarity? We live in a modern context, therefore a modern context is appropriate - unless we are discussing history. Don't pander to some guy who wants to use archiac terminology to describe himself; he can wear vintage clothing at historical re-enactments - but it's not appropriate here.
    Heh, of course not. Which is why I explained why I'm using it. I left the explaination that using it another way is trying to wiggle out of the argument to the imagination. It goes without saying.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Conservatives always advocate a "return" to "the good old days." The thing is, society gets better over time on average. Even if a specific point is lower than a previous point, what's needed is to move forward, or else society will limit itself.
    Exactly. There are blips on the radar, but over-all the trend is up. The "good old days" are a hallucination of an aging mind. The "good old days," as recently as 50 years ago, of race riots, legal child abuse and spousal rape, and prevalent hate crimes? Please.

    What's interesting is that the brief periods where things are worse than they used to be almost always correlate with a surge of reactionary conservatism.

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