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    Re: My age is

    I would say the Teddy Roosevelt was the first to be a true progressive.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So the South was full of dirty Progressives in 1912?
    Glancing over the results, it looks like TR and Taft split the anti-Woody vote. Woody got 42.5% of the pop vote and all but 8 of the electoral college, while Taft and TR split the difference. (Commie Debs got 6%)

    My larger point remains - dems are not the party of racial equality they like to think they are.

    Which party might you guess the speaker of this sentence belongs to:

    “Be ready to take up the goddamned nigra bill again.”
    Last edited by LuckyDan; 07-09-11 at 10:33 PM.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Glancing over the results, it looks like TR and Taft split the anti-Woody vote. Woody got 42.5% of the pop vote and all of the electoral college, while Taft and TR split the difference. (Commie Debs got 6%)

    My larger point remains - dems are not the party of racial equality they like to think they are.

    Which party might you guess the speaker of this sentence belongs to:
    NOBODY was the party of racial equality back then. Political platforms aren't static at all.

    This is the problem with equating ideology to party.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 07-09-11 at 10:34 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I would say the Teddy Roosevelt was the first to be a true progressive.
    except for the environmentalism-conservationism on the part of Teddy, I loathe most everything else about the man lol.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    NOBODY was the party of racial equality back then. Political platforms aren't static at all.

    This is the problem with equating ideology to party.
    I am saying SB, perhaps not as forcefully as I should, that Republicans have a better record on race than do Democrats. Am I wrong?

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Glancing over the results, it looks like TR and Taft split the anti-Woody vote. Woody got 42.5% of the pop vote and all but 8 of the electoral college, while Taft and TR split the difference. (Commie Debs got 6%)

    My larger point remains - dems are not the party of racial equality they like to think they are.

    Which party might you guess the speaker of this sentence belongs to:
    I believe in that day they were called Dixiecrats and where very much for racial segregation, although many of these Dixiecrats changed party affiliation and became Republican. Although republicans in the past have always been progressive but not in terms we think of today. Also I believe in 1964 it was the republicans who petition for racial equality and the democrats attempted filibuster. All this said politicians do not act as a party unless there is a silver lining some where to be had.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    except for the environmentalism-conservationism on the part of Teddy, I loathe most everything else about the man lol.
    Even his attempt at national healthcare(although I would disagree). TR was a naturalist so to speak and refused to be stepped on by the arrogant Europeans of the day and S.A. was a washed with revolutionaries. It was a different time and era. TR had many faults but the love of his country and the people in it wasn't one of them.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I am saying SB, perhaps not as forcefully as I should, that Republicans have a better record on race than do Democrats. Am I wrong?
    Honest answer? I don't know.

    I view this as a flawed way of looking at the issue. Democrats and Republicans didn't stand for the same things, the same ideas 100-150 years ago as they do now. It's kind of like a sports fan saying, "Well the Cowboys are one of the most dominant NFL teams ever!" To which I would reply "Yeah, well so what? They are mediocre NOW." (no offense as I see you are from that area). The Democratic and Republican parties of yesteryear didn't look at all like the Dems and Reps of today.

    Personally I don't even identify myself with the party that much to begin with. I am a liberal first, and a Democrat only for the sake of voting. Not to mention that there are a significant portion of Dems who don't even identify themselves as liberals.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I am saying SB, perhaps not as forcefully as I should, that Republicans have a better record on race than do Democrats. Am I wrong?
    The Republican name may have a better record on race, sure (although I would dispute this as well). However, the ideology and base behind that name has changed considerably over time. During Lincoln's era, blacks supported the Republican Party overwhelmingly, now blacks support the Democratic Party overwhelmingly. That should tell you something right there.

    (That party shift began during the New Deal and was cemented during the Civil Rights movement when most anti-integration Democrats went to the Republican Party).

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I believe in that day they were called Dixiecrats and where very much for racial segregation, although many of these Dixiecrats changed party affiliation and became Republican. Although republicans in the past have always been progressive but not in terms we think of today. Also I believe in 1964 it was the republicans who petition for racial equality and the democrats attempted filibuster. All this said politicians do not act as a party unless there is a silver lining some where to be had.
    Yet the likes of Lyndon "“Be ready to take up the goddamned nigra bill again” Johnson, and Sam "I’m on your side, not theirs” Ervin, are dem heroes of the civil rights movement.

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