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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I agree, but I was just pointing out this example as it flies in the face of Camlon's "conservatives are for equality too, they just use different methods" argument.
    I didn't use that argument for gay rights, I used it for woman equality and racial equality. Also, my argument is more general, and not just for the US.

    I know things are a little different in Europe, where perhaps the biggest social issue is immigration. Dunno about you Kiwis though
    I'm originally from Europe.

    However, in New Zealand. The biggest social issues are alcohol, drugs, crime and the maori issue. The new government have increased drinking age, increased the number of police and implemented a three stikes out policy. New Zealand gets a lot of immigrants, but it's not an issue because they have to be qualified.

    However, the economy is the biggest issue. How to deal with the emigration to Australia, enviroment, firing regulations, minimum wage and how to inprove economic performance. New Zealand is not as rich as Australia, because it is too small for economics of scale. No one realize the last part though,

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    Re: My age is

    28 tomorrow.
    YAY me!
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Republicans in Lincoln's time were often extremely socially liberal. In fact that strain of conservatism survived into the 90's, when socially liberal conservatives argued in favor of gay marriage. Then they were mostly pushed into the libertarian realm, after authoritarian conservatism took over. Conservatism didn't really used to mean "back to the good ole' days." It used to mean something more along the lines of "conserving rights."

    Failing to factor in historical context means you lose the suffrage and slavery points.
    You're mixing times, meanings and definitions between today and yesterday. Taking that into consideration, the subjectiveness as to what was socially liberal at the time and what is today considered socially liberal is lightyears apart. Even the most socially liberal at the time would be considered today socially conservative and extremely so. This was a product of the moral and social values at the time and not attributed to some function of politics. What you're attempting to do is compare apples to oranges. My points stand - what was the early GOP did in fact do those things. If you want to subjectively attibute aspects of them socially, you have to do this on an individual basis and not generalize.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    The rest of the developed world has banned (or invalidated) the death penalty. And they are nearly all more socially liberal than we are. Also note that most of the states still practicing the death penalty are pretty red.
    The death penalty is not only a social issue but also a political issue, which you touch on with the "Red" comment. "Developed" is a rather vague term though I nitpicking, and what other countries, developed or not do with their own judicial system is of no impact to the United States. We have our own morality, history and social and political attributes which value not some social collective nor does it follow what other nations do, but it does what's right for it's own. That means it's left up to the states - and rightly so IMO. If that makes us "undeveloped" or "uncivilized" then I'm fine with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Then there was one you conceded, and one you didn't address at all. So much for that whoopin'.
    I never claimed it was an ass whooping, in fact I only meant to set the record straight - you're attributing something someone else said to me, also not a good thing to do. Second, I concede issues where there are no facts to the contrary - it is unwise to argue for arguments sake especially when facts do not support my favor on the subject. Where there are clearly inaccuracies I brought them up, they were supported by facts, and I also explained the subjectivity of your claim. If you have some fact based study showing on some quantifiable scale what "socially liberal" was and how it compares to today on some moral scale, I'd be happy to look at it and comment. Otherwise, the facts stand on their own. Your statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad
    But the conservatives of the day fought it every step of the way.
    Is shown to be false.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: My age is

    I am 19 years old, gonna be 20 in January.
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    Re: My age is

    I am using "socially liberal" because it is the modern term that people understand. Republicans of yore were what we, in 2011, call "socially liberal."

    No, you didn't prove me wrong. I was talking about what is known today as social liberalism. All of your "counters" were about social liberals making socially liberal changes. You've served to prove my point more than anything.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Republicans in Lincoln's time were often extremely socially liberal. In fact that strain of conservatism survived into the 90's, when socially liberal conservatives argued in favor of gay marriage. Then they were mostly pushed into the libertarian realm, after authoritarian conservatism took over. Conservatism didn't really used to mean "back to the good ole' days." It used to mean something more along the lines of "conserving rights."

    Failing to factor in historical context means you lose the suffrage and slavery points.

    The rest of the developed world has banned (or invalidated) the death penalty. And they are nearly all more socially liberal than we are. Also note that most of the states still practicing the death penalty are pretty red.

    Then there was one you conceded, and one you didn't address at all. So much for that whoopin'.
    Conservatism has always meant many different things in this country. It could have always meant an aversion to mass democracy, social liberalism, and so forth.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    The rest of the developed world has banned (or invalidated) the death penalty. And they are nearly all more socially liberal than we are. Also note that most of the states still practicing the death penalty are pretty red.
    This is not true. Here is a list of death penalty per 10 million in 2010. Don't forget that US nearly banned the death penalty in 1970s.

    Singapore: 40
    Taiwan: 1.78
    United States: 1.48
    Japan: 0.18
    South Korea: 0 (but 0.25 on death row)

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I am using "socially liberal" because it is the modern term that people understand. Republicans of yore were what we, in 2011, call "socially liberal."
    And obviously your "authoritarian conservative" if you were to look at their operations.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    28 tomorrow.
    YAY me!
    Seriously? I was off by 15-20 years.

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    Re: My age is

    24, 25 next month.
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