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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    How do you attribute those things to social liberals? And what was a social liberal in 1870?

    You are incorrect here misteress... and I'll prove it.

    U.S., Womens Sufferage:


    Slavery


    Social liberals (not sure if Buchanan was actually a "social liberal" but whatever) did not want to address the question of slavery. A Democrat in the White House during the Civil War did not free the slaves either, as we know Lincoln was a Republican. There's also a long history of support for blacks in Congress and politics - not from the Democrats of the day, oh no no. They were Republicans as were the first black members of Congress but that's a different topic.

    Wife Beating / Child Spanking - I cannot find a federal view on this and it would take too long and exaughstive of a search to post state by state votes on laws, so I'll simply skip it.


    Welfare:
    - Certainly was and contiues to be a push by Social Liberals with some minor support by Conservatives as well as some resistance by Conservatives.

    Death Penalty / Capital Punishment: First, the U.S. did not "nearly ban" it in the 1970's. Second, it's support has been up and down over the years and is primarily a States issue. Wiki has a map:
    Fileeath penalty statutes in the United States-2011-10-03.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    To state that conservatives of the day fought it every step of the way is misleading and in some cases (Slavery, Sufferage) downright incorrect. I just want to set the record straight here and not let this bit of misinformation get glanced over and uncorrected.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Agree for the most part. I just feel like the vast majority of conservatives, even if they are principally for the right of gays to marry, are rather passive when it comes to doing so. They might want equality, but they're not speaking out or really doing anything about it at this time. It really wasn't that long ago when DOMA was signed into law, and I don't see a rush of conservatives speaking out against its obvious unconstitutionality.
    Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Even when we have debates here, everybody pays attention to what Mac and Jerry say when they go all radical/religious on the topic, but ignore those of us who support the cause and actively advocate for it.
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    Re: My age is

    I'm 15 turning 16 in September.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Even when we have debates here, everybody pays attention to what Mac and Jerry say when they go all radical/religious on the topic, but ignore those of us who support the cause and actively advocate for it.
    Honestly, I believe you are the exception to the rule. If you take a look at conservative/Republican politicians and legislators at large throughout the country, the number of them that actively speak out in favor of gay rights and repealing DOMA is a tiny minority. For the most part, it's just not that big an issue. Either they belong to the hardcore evangelical base that says no civil unions, no gay marriage, or they are saying yes to civil unions, no to gay marriage. The rest are just passive on the subject, even if they do support equality. Very few conservative politicians are for gay marriage outright, at least publicly.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Honestly, I believe you are the exception to the rule. If you take a look at conservative/Republican politicians and legislators at large throughout the country, the number of them that actively speak out in favor of gay rights and repealing DOMA is a tiny minority. For the most part, it's just not that big an issue. Either they belong to the hardcore evangelical base that says no civil unions, no gay marriage, or they are saying yes to civil unions, no to gay marriage. The rest are just passive on the subject, even if they do support equality. Very few conservative politicians are for gay marriage outright, at least publicly.
    I agree, as I said before most people don't care and that's just it, GOP's don't care one way or the other. Doesn't neccessarily mean that they're gonna advocate for it.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    I agree, as I said before most people don't care and that's just it, GOP's don't care one way or the other. Doesn't neccessarily mean that they're gonna advocate for it.
    I agree, but I was just pointing out this example as it flies in the face of Camlon's "conservatives are for equality too, they just use different methods" argument.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I agree, but I was just pointing out this example as it flies in the face of Camlon's "conservatives are for equality too, they just use different methods" argument.
    ah, I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    ah, I see.
    Honestly, regardless of how one feels about homosexuality, I feel like any person who claims faithfulness to the Constitution has got to admit that DOMA is so blatantly unconstitutional it's not even funny.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    How do you attribute those things to social liberals? And what was a social liberal in 1870?

    You are incorrect here misteress... and I'll prove it.

    U.S., Womens Sufferage:


    Slavery


    Social liberals (not sure if Buchanan was actually a "social liberal" but whatever) did not want to address the question of slavery. A Democrat in the White House during the Civil War did not free the slaves either, as we know Lincoln was a Republican. There's also a long history of support for blacks in Congress and politics - not from the Democrats of the day, oh no no. They were Republicans as were the first black members of Congress but that's a different topic.

    Wife Beating / Child Spanking - I cannot find a federal view on this and it would take too long and exaughstive of a search to post state by state votes on laws, so I'll simply skip it.


    Welfare:
    - Certainly was and contiues to be a push by Social Liberals with some minor support by Conservatives as well as some resistance by Conservatives.

    Death Penalty / Capital Punishment: First, the U.S. did not "nearly ban" it in the 1970's. Second, it's support has been up and down over the years and is primarily a States issue. Wiki has a map:
    Fileeath penalty statutes in the United States-2011-10-03.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    To state that conservatives of the day fought it every step of the way is misleading and in some cases (Slavery, Sufferage) downright incorrect. I just want to set the record straight here and not let this bit of misinformation get glanced over and uncorrected.
    Republicans in Lincoln's time were often extremely socially liberal. In fact that strain of conservatism survived into the 90's, when socially liberal conservatives argued in favor of gay marriage. Then they were mostly pushed into the libertarian realm, after authoritarian conservatism took over. Conservatism didn't really used to mean "back to the good ole' days." It used to mean something more along the lines of "conserving rights."

    Failing to factor in historical context means you lose the suffrage and slavery points.

    The rest of the developed world has banned (or invalidated) the death penalty. And they are nearly all more socially liberal than we are. Also note that most of the states still practicing the death penalty are pretty red.

    Then there was one you conceded, and one you didn't address at all. So much for that whoopin'.
    Last edited by SmokeAndMirrors; 07-06-11 at 03:08 PM.

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    Re: My age is

    52 and not surprised with the age distribution shown on this poll

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