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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    As stated in another post, I was mostly talking about social issues.

    It won't last. Never does. Conservatism sometimes enjoys brief hikes in popularity (usually accompanied by tons of social strife and poverty), but the over-all trend wins in the end.
    Can you provide some links to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Can you provide some links to this?
    There's no long-term trend either way, in my personal opinion. Definitions of conservatism and liberals change over time and space. What was a conservative or a liberal yesterday is different from what a conservative or a liberal is today, because society has evolved and the respective ideologies adapt. There was a time when I, myself, was in favor of DADT. No longer.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Again, are black people free? Can women vote? Can women sign for their own homes? Is beating your wife legal? Or your kids? Can poor people get help? Is the death penalty legal in most of the developed world?

    We tend to always be lagging a bit on the curve, but we get there eventually.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    22, turn 23 in November
    This.

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Conservatives always advocate a "return" to "the good old days." The thing is, society gets better over time on average. Even if a specific point is lower than a previous point, what's needed is to move forward, or else society will limit itself.
    I sure don't want to return to any "good old days". There were none. That said though, there are certainly elements from the past that worked and were superior to today, just as there are elements that were inferior. Wanting to take the good elements from then and blend them with the good elements from now and produce a better future isn't the bad thing you pretend it is. Society doesn't get better necessarily. Crime goes up, irresponsibility goes up, these are not good things, nor are they improvements.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Again, are black people free? Can women vote? Can women sign for their own homes? Is beating your wife legal? Or your kids? Can poor people get help? Is the death penalty legal in most of the developed world?

    We tend to always be lagging a bit on the curve, but we get there eventually.
    • Most countries gave woman suffrage in 1910 - 1950
    • Slavery was abolised in most countries between 1800 - 1900, apartheid was abolished later but way before 1975 in any developed country.
    • Wife beating was illegal in most states by 1870.
    • Spanking children is legal in many countries, but is probably on the way out, and not a big thing for conservatives.
    • Poor people are getting less welfare now than before. It was much easier to get welfare back in the 80s in most countries
    • Most of the bans of capital punishment in developed countries happened in the 70s or before, many of the countries hadn't done capital punishment for a long time. US nearly banned capital punishment in the 70s.


    But fact is, since 1975 we have becoming much more economically conservative. If liberals are always right in the end, and conservatives are just there to pace liberals. Why have we been going the opposite way economically since 1975? Also, all of your examples happened before 1980 and very few people are against them.

    On the social side liberals are losing as well. Think about immigration, death penalty in the US, school system, police, etc. You think this is just a lag on the curve? A lag that lasts 30 years? Come on!

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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    • Most countries gave woman suffrage in 1910 - 1950
    • Slavery was abolised in most countries between 1800 - 1900, apartheid was abolished later but way before 1975 in any developed country.
    • Wife beating was illegal in most states by 1870.
    • Spanking children is legal in many countries, but is probably on the way out, and not a big thing for conservatives.
    • Poor people are getting less welfare now than before. It was much easier to get welfare back in the 80s in most countries
    • Most of the bans of capital punishment in developed countries happened in the 70s or before, many of the countries hadn't done capital punishment for a long time. US nearly banned capital punishment in the 70s.


    But fact is, since 1975 we have becoming much more economically conservative. If liberals are always right in the end, and conservatives are just there to pace liberals. Why have we been going the opposite way economically since 1975? Also, all of your examples happened before 1980 and very few people are against them.

    On the social side liberals are losing as well. Think about immigration, death penalty in the US, school system, police, etc. You think this is just a lag on the curve? A lag that lasts 30 years? Come on!
    I agree with you on the economic stuff, not so much on the social side. You very conveniently left out gay marriage, racial equality, and women's equality.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I had a supervisor whose were "way up front and high" <gotta love Seeger> Course, that was after cancer, a double-mastectomy and reconstructive. I hope mine continue in their current state. Knock on wood.
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    Re: My age is

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I agree with you on the economic stuff, not so much on the social side. You very conveniently left out gay marriage, racial equality, and women's equality.
    But these are not liberal issues. Racial equality and woman's equality is just as important for conservatives. We just differ in the method to achieve the goal. I don't believe we can achieve equality be forcing companies to hire women and minorities. I believe we need to change our mindset or increase productivity of certain groups. Secondly, racial equality is backtracking in Europe.

    You are right about gay marriage. That's why I said partly. But gay marriage is not a big issue outside the US.

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