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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I remember some guys in our boot camp (Marines) that raised there hands when asked if anybody was a conscientious objector to going to war. They were removed from my platoon and I have no idea what happened to them, if they got sent home or sent back in training.
    Going by historical precedent, they more than likely became hard core Republican Hawks in Congress and the Senate, or became staffers and flacks for the Republican Party think tanks..
    Last edited by Oberon; 07-05-11 at 02:41 PM.

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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Going by historical precedent, they more than likely became hard core Republican Hawks in Congress and the Senate, or became staffers and flacks for the Republican Party think tanks..
    You mean like like General Wesley Clark? NOPE - Dem! or like Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez NOPE - another Dem! ... Document any example?

    We all know John Kerry wasn't against carrying weapons when his buddies were filming Vietnam sitcoms!

    Let's not for get the demoralize anti-war remarks of General Murtha (Link From The Past)

    of course my examples are as foolish as yours!

    Oh! but you didn't have a single example - did you?
    You just own that non factual insult!

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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    If you are forced into joining (draft or similiar) yes I would. If you volunteer, no.

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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Would you court martial this man? Would you allow conscientious objection within the armed forces?

    My position is that the medic should be court martialled, in essence as a volunteer (we don't conscript or draft recruits) he signed, swore an oath and then refused a specific part of his military training. If he had been sent off to a war zone he would have become a liability.

    You cannot pick and choose military assignment either!
    He volunteered, he made the choice.
    It's idiotic on his part.

    They should boot him, with an honorable discharge (or the UK equivalent) but no post military benefits.
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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Yes, well ... please name the conflicts we've been in since WW II where the enemies we were fighting gave two ****s about complying with the Geneva Convention.
    It's the fact that we follow it that makes us the good guys. Sinking to the level of our enemies destroys what we're fighting for in the first place.
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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Damn, this is tricky. Excellent question.

    On the one hand, all volunteer force(I believe in England anyway), if you are going to volunteer, it's pretty silly to be a conscientious objector. Further, he is not being asked to shoot any one, he is being trained to use a rifle. lastly, you don't agree to serve if you feel like it when you sign up, you agree to serve when and how asked.

    On the other hand, medic is a high demand job where using a rifle should not be needed, and it is a job where some one who objects on moral grounds from killing should still be able to serve. The should be, and I believe is, a path to be declared a conscientious objector while serving, but that should not keep you from serving.

    Overall, it really depends on how their rules on conscientious objectors are. Too much just unknown in this case to really say. I would lean towards yes, he should be prosecuted since what he refused was training however, and no one should ever be able to choose where or if they deploy.
    He just wanted the paycheck.
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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    As a military man I can tell you that this is ridiculous in several ways.

    1. As pointed out, the military is made up of volunteers, not draftees.
    2. In the American military (I know this is the UK but I am applying it here) you have to sign a form when you enlist stating that you have no objection to carrying a rifle.
    3. It is ridiculous to suggest that a person can enlist in the military without knowing that they may be required to fight in defense of their country- IT'S the MILITARY.
    4. This sailor is a danger to his fellow sailors, and thus a threat to the entire organization because he refuses to engage to enemy if the enemy is presented.

    This man should be discharged from service for (1) not joining in good faith, and (2) being a punkass.
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