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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Would you court martial this man? Would you allow conscientious objection within the armed forces?

    My position is that the medic should be court martialled, in essence as a volunteer (we don't conscript or draft recruits) he signed, swore an oath and then refused a specific part of his military training. If he had been sent off to a war zone he would have become a liability.

    You cannot pick and choose military assignment either!

    duh it's the military, if you are a conscientious objector....don't volunteer for the military. or become a chaplain, they don't have to carry weapons anyway.
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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    -- many people who objected to the Viet Nam police action volunteered and served in VN --
    If you conscientiously object, then get out of the service first. This medic wanted to pick and choose which zones he was deployed in. Nearly every other person in the services simply goes where posted. Your sentence shows the discrepancy - the Vietnam objectors still went and served there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    -- All the medics I ever ran across were armed, and many used their arms in combat; that's why they're part of units, and not just randomly wandering around saving everybody ... it's just another MOS.
    The point Redress was making concerned the training beforehand. He refused the weapons training that was part of his general training. A man unwilling and unable to defend himself while in uniform could be a hindrance to others on the same side.

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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The medic is the guy who saves my ass on the battlefield, armed or not.

    I'm not sure what to think about this, but calling him a "pussy" is pretty low brow.
    You should think that whoever claims medics are pussies is an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about, and never saw any fighting outside of a school yard or a beer joint.
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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    If you conscientiously object, then get out of the service first.
    Why? Even Generals object to some conflicts they're serving in, and they still do their jobs. They just don't object in public while serving. Like I said, CO status isn't just about hippie stuff. There are many reasons for being a CO.

    This medic wanted to pick and choose which zones he was deployed in. Nearly every other person in the services simply goes where posted. Your sentence shows the discrepancy - the Vietnam objectors still went and served there.
    I never disagreed that this medic shouldn't be dumped. He obviously needs to be.

    The point Redress was making concerned the training beforehand. He refused the weapons training that was part of his general training. A man unwilling and unable to defend himself while in uniform could be a hindrance to others on the same side.
    I never said the medic was right; I was disagreeing with the notion that being a CO in and of itself isn't the same as refusing to serve nor does it automatically mean you're some kind of hippie traitor who shouldn't be in the military. Apparently that goes over the heads of some here. That isn't my fault, though ...
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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    He should take the training. After all, it's just knowledge. But he can certainly object to being ordered to kill anyone, or to function as infantry. He signed up as a medic, to practice medicine. Signing a contract with the military is a two way street. They don't get to break the contract either. Since a medic may well be doing field triage, he'll need to know how to defend himself. Unless he's a complete pacifist, he's going to want to protect his own life, and to do that, he needs the weapons and the knowledge to operate them.
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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    I remember some guys in our boot camp (Marines) that raised there hands when asked if anybody was a conscientious objector to going to war. They were removed from my platoon and I have no idea what happened to them, if they got sent home or sent back in training.

    I would think its pretty easy to be a conscientious objector in combat. Simply don't fire back or put up any resistance.
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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Unless the combat medics I met when I was a infantry soldier were lying they told me that according to Geneva convention rules they get special protections and are not allowed to fire at the enemy. So a combat medic would not be doing any killing.
    Yes, well ... please name the conflicts we've been in since WW II where the enemies we were fighting gave two ****s about complying with the Geneva Convention.

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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Since a medic may well be doing field triage, he'll need to know how to defend himself. Unless he's a complete pacifist, he's going to want to protect his own life, and to do that, he needs the weapons and the knowledge to operate them.
    Indeed, and most of them out in the field will end up doing just that, contrary to what some here think.

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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    I think he should be court marshaled for this. He shouldn't be allowed to refuse rifle training. No one is asking him to go on the front lines and kill people, but he needs to be trained on how to use a rifle for safety reasons. You should be prepared as much as possible in the military. Not just for your own sake, but for the sake of those you serve with. If a fight ever occurred where the medic was he needs to be able to defend himself. Having an unarmed and untrained medic means that he needs to be defended which puts other soldiers lives at risk. He needs to be able to hold his own and defend himself for his sake and for the sake of those he serves with. I fully support a court marshal for him refusing to go through rifle training.
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    Re: Conscientious objection when in the military

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Yes, well ... please name the conflicts we've been in since WW II where the enemies we were fighting gave two ****s about complying with the Geneva Convention.
    Then that is more of a reason he learn rifle training.
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