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    Re: New states?

    You say the logistics of making DC a state are ridiculous, but don't think the logistics of everyone moving out are even more ridiculous? That's interesting.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    You say the logistics of making DC a state are ridiculous, but don't think the logistics of everyone moving out are even more ridiculous? That's interesting.
    No, I don't see people moving as more ridiculous because not everyone has a problem with losing these rights and not everyone who lives in DC feel as though they are DC'ns (?). The people in DC live there for many reasons most move there for federal positions, are staff to the federal government, or work for federally supporting business (e.g. restaurants, hotels, lobbying groups, NGO, Non-Profits, etc). Those who really feel that they are being slighted can move to Virgina, Maryland, WV, Delaware, PA or some other state and commute in. The transit system is pretty expansive in DC by the way.

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    Re: New states?

    I think you and I have different definitions of the word 'logistics'.

    Anyway, you think it's okay for some American citizens to live without representation not based upon their actions, but upon where they live.

    I don't. Difference of opinion, I guess.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    I think you and I have different definitions of the word 'logistics'.

    Anyway, you think it's okay for some American citizens to live without representation not based upon their actions, but upon where they live.

    I don't. Difference of opinion, I guess.
    The military live without some rights. They are citizens too. Prisoners live without certain rights in some communities. They are citizens too. There are a several reasons why a person may not have full enfranchisement. There are reasons why the people of DC do not. Those reasons are legitimate and the solutions are quite easy. They can either live without the right or move. I might add, that they do not lose all their rights here. They are just losing the right to federal representation in the House and the Senate. They still get federal funds for education, health, and green subsidies to name a few. They still have local government. They still have rights under the Bill of Rights and Amendments. They still vote for the President. These people are not slaves to the government as Kandahar suggests. No one is forcing them to say in DC and they all by now should know what living in DC means by now.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    I don't understand you. States are given two senators no matter the size. New York (19 million) has as many Senators as Wyoming (530,000). Now if we are talking about Representatives, there are several states with small populations that only have 1 House vote. Only PR would get more than 1.
    Realize this, I'm not talking about rules, at all.

    I'm saying it is not fair to the other states to introduce a state with 100K in population, because they will get two senators like everyone else.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Realize this, I'm not talking about rules, at all.

    I'm saying it is not fair to the other states to introduce a state with 100K in population, because they will get two senators like everyone else.
    There supposed to get two senators. All states get two senators. This counter-argument doesn't make sense as senate seats are not based on population.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    The military live without some rights. They are citizens too. Prisoners live without certain rights in some communities. They are citizens too. There are a several reasons why a person may not have full enfranchisement. There are reasons why the people of DC do not. Those reasons are legitimate and the solutions are quite easy. They can either live without the right or move. I might add, that they do not lose all their rights here. They are just losing the right to federal representation in the House and the Senate. They still get federal funds for education, health, and green subsidies to name a few. They still have local government. They still have rights under the Bill of Rights and Amendments. They still vote for the President. These people are not slaves to the government as Kandahar suggests. No one is forcing them to say in DC and they all by now should know what living in DC means by now.
    I think you and I have different definitions of the word 'logistics'.

    Anyway, you think it's okay for some American citizens to live without representation not based upon their actions, but upon where they live.

    I don't. Difference of opinion, I guess.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    I think you and I have different definitions of the word 'logistics'.

    Anyway, you think it's okay for some American citizens to live without representation not based upon their actions, but upon where they live.

    I don't. Difference of opinion, I guess.
    This still isn't a counter-argument to why DC shouldn't be a state. Duplication of duties, the fact that most in DC are citizens of there States, the States being entities in themselves, and the complete disaster awaiting trying to make DC state are all issue not yet addressed. If this is really a concern, then the compromise noted earlier could work. Take all the actually federal land (Congress, the WH, SCOTUS and other federal buildings) separate them out and then return the private land to Maryland. DC would remain as a complete federal district and the others would become Marylanders.

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    Re: New states?

    To deny the people of Washington DC their representation by Senators is to deny them equal rights as Americans.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    To deny the people of Washington DC their representation by Senators is to deny them equal rights as Americans.
    To deny the people of DC their representation by Congress is the price for living in DC. No one is making them live there.

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