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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I think we have to judge on the size and the connection to the US. The only possibility right now is DC and Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is an obvious candidate.

    All other territories are too small to become US states.
    Actually, Guam, the US Virgin Islands have more than enough people to meet the 1787 60,000 resident requirements to apply for statehood. And if you incorporate all the South Pacific Islands as one entitiy I am sure they would have enough too.

    DC should not be a state though. These in DC can move to Virgina or to Maryland; the transit systems is sufficient now to accommodate if people have a problem with their rights. The Capital should be a force within itself.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Too small? Sheesh...You can drive across Rhode Island in under an hour. (and I'm talking about the longest stretch at that)
    I'm talking about population, not physical size. Rhode Island got 1,052,567 people in 2010, while Guam got 178,430 and US Virgin Islands got 109,825. They are simply too small to get two senators.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Actually, Guam, the US Virgin Islands have more than enough people to meet the 1787 60,000 resident requirements to apply for statehood. And if you incorporate all the South Pacific Islands as one entitiy I am sure they would have enough too.
    I'm not talking about requirements, especially when the requirement hasn't been changed since 1787.

    I'm saying that their population is too small to get two senators. I don't think you can join them into one entity either. The islands are quite different, so I don't think they want to join into one state.

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    Re: New states?

    Well Hank Johnosn (D) was right.....Guam just capsized.........so they are off the list.......


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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Our forefathers can go **** themselves. Their reasons for not wanting DC statehood 200 years ago are not a good enough reason to deny DC residents the right to a representative democracy today.
    If anything, DC has become so corrupt that there is an even GREATER reason today to deny them statehood. The citizens should be absorbed by one of the surrounding states and the transient government employees should become very much MORE transient.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I'm not talking about requirements, especially when the requirement hasn't been changed since 1787.

    I'm saying that their population is too small to get two senators. I don't think you can join them into one entity either. The islands are quite different, so I don't think they want to join into one state.
    I don't understand you. States are given two senators no matter the size. New York (19 million) has as many Senators as Wyoming (530,000). Now if we are talking about Representatives, there are several states with small populations that only have 1 House vote. Only PR would get more than 1.



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    Here is another reason DC shouldn't get to be a state. It is local government functions as a state currently. Breaking up DC into small communities is not warranted and giving DC a Governor, Assembly, and State Senate in addition to the Mayor and City Counsel where everyone would just be leading the exact same population would just cause confusion, more political division, and be a waste to money. There is more to being a state then just getting House Members and Senators.
    Last edited by hallam; 07-05-11 at 10:19 AM.

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    Re: New states?

    I guess there's lots of "reasons" DC shouldn't have the right to representation within Congress (whether adopted into Maryland or as its own state), but none of those trump the idea that all US citizens should have a voice in our representative body.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    DC is the capital so no. There is a reason our forefathers did not want it to have the same status as a state.
    Because they wanted an unmanaged, crazed group of people to go without control and law.

    DC itself is a wretched slum - expect for the Capital area . . . the people who live there are underpriviledged and denied what all other americans have.

    They should redefine DC's borders and relegate 'capital' status to the capital area itself and grant statehood to the remaining populous.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    I guess there's lots of "reasons" DC shouldn't have the right to representation within Congress (whether adopted into Maryland or as its own state), but none of those trump the idea that all US citizens should have a voice in our representative body.
    If those people have an issue with losing rights, then they can move to Maryland or another state and regain those rights. DC as a federal entity should not have a seat at the table. States are actually more than just the people they represent. States are entities in and of themselves. DC as a state would be the only state which would have all the states rights but would also be the federal government as well. There would be no separation No other state could do this accept for maybe Nevada. It is an unfair advantage for DC in certain situations and since there is an reasonable alternative, DC shouldn't be made a state.

    Further the logistics of making DC a state now are, frankly, ridiculous. We are talking about either setting up many cities within DC currently for the current neighborhoods. Or we are talking about giving DC people local government and State government which would cover the exact same populous and be charged with same duties.

    This issue is actually similar to the Armed Forces. If you decide to join the Army, then you are giving up rights such as the right to free speech. Now I know, that the joining the Army is a voluntary act and that living in DC may be something thrust upon you by birth, but the same truth holds here. No one is forcing anyone to live in DC. There are alternatives.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Because they wanted an unmanaged, crazed group of people to go without control and law.

    DC itself is a wretched slum - expect for the Capital area . . . the people who live there are underpriviledged and denied what all other americans have.

    They should redefine DC's borders and relegate 'capital' status to the capital area itself and grant statehood to the remaining populous.

    Could we compromise and relegate the Capital status to the capital area itself and outlying federal buildings and give the rest back to Maryland?

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