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    Re: New states?

    It was a joke, calm down

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Just because I agree with them a great deal doesn't mean I don't think for myself. Now, why don't you come up with another attack that isn't slavery related.
    I didn't say anything about slavery. But now that you mention it, the fact that you support forcing DC residents to abide by federal laws while offering them no input to change them...yeah, that IS pretty close to slavery. Want me to shuck and jive and pick your cotton? I guess I'll have to, if your Congress to which I had no representation tells me to.

    All the hillbilly crap about America always supporting freedom and democracy is bull****. Not only is it plainly false in our foreign policy, but you're perfectly willing to deny freedom and democracy to your fellow countrymen. Because somehow it's OUR fault that YOU (the residents of the parts of the US where democracy is in effect) elected a federal government you're unhappy with.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I was never placing blame on the people of DC
    That's EXACTLY what you're doing when you advocate dictatorship over DC residents because you're unhappy with the actions of the federal government.

    but many of them are the results of the problem.
    DC's economy (as it relates to the federal government) is nothing more than a reflection of YOUR elected officials' priorities.

    No, I'm not. I support the idea you get some sense and move out of DC and all those people that work in the capital move to Maryland.
    I see. So it's OK that we have a dictatorship because we can always leave. Now where else have I heard that argument?
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I didn't say anything about slavery. But now that you mention it, the fact that you support forcing DC residents to abide by federal laws while offering them no input to change them...yeah, that IS pretty close to slavery. Want me to shuck and jive and pick your cotton? I guess I'll have to, if your Congress to which I had no representation tells me to.
    Don't worry you can work and get paid. But I charge for walking, sleeping, eating, crapping and pissing, sorry. Hope you have some left over.

    All the hillbilly crap about America always supporting freedom and democracy is bull****. Not only is it plainly false in our foreign policy, but you're perfectly willing to deny freedom and democracy to your fellow countrymen. Because somehow it's OUR fault that YOU (the residents of the parts of the US where democracy is in effect) elected a federal government you're unhappy with.
    It has nothing to do with my happiness level. All I'm saying here is how it is. What I feel about it one way or the other doesn't come into account.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I didn't say anything about slavery. But now that you mention it, the fact that you support forcing DC residents to abide by federal laws while offering them no input to change them...yeah, that IS pretty close to slavery. Want me to shuck and jive and pick your cotton? I guess I'll have to, if your Congress to which I had no representation tells me to.

    All the hillbilly crap about America always supporting freedom and democracy is bull****. Not only is it plainly false in our foreign policy, but you're perfectly willing to deny freedom and democracy to your fellow countrymen. Because somehow it's OUR fault that YOU (the residents of the parts of the US where democracy is in effect) elected a federal government you're unhappy with.

    This is major victimization. I mean, could someone be more of a victim than a slave? not only that, but it is major nonsense. It is obvious that the federal capital needs to be on federal land. Placing the federal capital on state-controlled land, in a federal republic, would be retarded. No, perhaps the residents of DC when the federal land was created could have raised some objection, as they were the residents of the land when the zoning took place; however, no one is forced to live in DC today. Those residents can get out of their so-described gimp box anytime they like and move elsewhere. That's one of the great things abot US federalism and state power... move somewhere else and the rules change.

    Choosing to live on the tiny piece of federal land that constitutes our federal capital and then claiming to be a slave as a result of that choice is some seriously weak nonsense. I mean, wow, could someone be any more of a victim.


    I see. So it's OK that we have a dictatorship because we can always leave. Now where else have I heard that argument?
    Does anyone buy that he is a slave living under dictatorship? I bet the same guy will tell us about how democratic Iran is, more so than DC.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It is obvious that the federal capital needs to be on federal land.
    That's fine, if the feds want to have a federal district they can keep the National Mall, including the White House, Capitol, and Supreme Court. But leave the people who actually LIVE in the District out of it.

    Placing the federal capital on state-controlled land, in a federal republic, would be retarded. No, perhaps the residents of DC when the federal land was created could have raised some objection, as they were the residents of the land when the zoning took place; however, no one is forced to live in DC today. Those residents can get out of their so-described gimp box anytime they like and move elsewhere. That's one of the great things abot US federalism and state power... move somewhere else and the rules change.
    Everywhere ELSE the rules change because the people elected various state governments to set the rules in accordance with their political preferences. Not here. We have an elected city council, but this dictatorial entity called the United States Congress can and does override our council's decisions when they don't like the decisions.

    Choosing to live on the tiny piece of federal land that constitutes our federal capital and then claiming to be a slave as a result of that choice is some seriously weak nonsense. I mean, wow, could someone be any more of a victim.
    Either democracy is one of our principles or it isn't. That's bull**** for the same reason it would be bull**** if STATES tried to oppress their citizens, on the grounds that their residents can get the **** out whenever they want.

    I bet the same guy will tell us about how democratic Iran is, more so than DC.
    I'd call it a toss-up. Both Iran and DC have some elected officials who nominally set the policy agenda, but are frequently overruled by far more powerful entities who were not elected by their residents.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is what is wrong with libs. No regard for our founding forefathers of their intentions.
    Can I quote you on this in the thread about Texas and the Vienna Convention?
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    Re: New states?

    I think we have to judge on the size and the connection to the US. The only possibility right now is DC and Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is an obvious candidate.

    All other territories are too small to become US states.

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    Re: New states?

    What ever happened to personal accountability? I mean come on...It's pretty common knowledge what DC is like. No representation, highest crime area in the US, has the strictest gun control laws in the country and worst of all...lots of politicians...why anyone would choose to live there and then moan and complain about what they chose to live/move into is beyond me.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I think we have to judge on the size and the connection to the US. The only possibility right now is DC and Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is an obvious candidate.

    All other territories are too small to become US states.
    Too small? Sheesh...You can drive across Rhode Island in under an hour. (and I'm talking about the longest stretch at that)
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