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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    Agreed, they came up with some pretty solid ideas between banging their slaves.

    The only attack on the founders I have seen in a great deal of time. Kind of sad that is all people have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    This wasn't their mistake nor did they overlook it. You ignored them, and here you are. Its seems like you caused your problem by your unwillingness to obey by the rules of the constitution.
    Which rule in the Constitution would that be? Is there some clause that makes it illegal for people to move to the District of Columbia of which I am unaware?
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    What do you mean, I just praised their ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The only attack on the founders I have seen in a great deal of time. Kind of sad that is all people have.
    What is kind of sad is that human beings (politicians, no less) who lived 200 years ago are so revered today by people who don't want to think for themselves.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Irrelevant. Do you really think that the Founding Fathers planned out where every big city should be 200 years hence?
    Talking of irrelevant.

    Over the past 200 years the people have elected governments which require more and more employees. If you don't like it, don't blame the residents of DC, blame the voters who elected all those Congresses. Which, incidentally, DC residents had nothing to do with, as we can't vote for Congress.
    Haha, so you admit they didn't overlook it. They limited the powers, powers that have since been ignored allowing the capital to grow.


    Please show me the passage in the Constitution where the population of the District of Columbia is capped by law, and every additional resident is banned from entering.
    Like I said if you wish to ignore the intentions and live in place with no representation that is your choice, but don't cry to me about it. I have nothing to feel for you.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Haha, so you admit they didn't overlook it. They limited the powers, powers that have since been ignored allowing the capital to grow.
    Whose fault is THAT? You mother****ers that actually HAVE representation in Congress are the ones who elect our national government. The only representation that DC has at all in our federal government is 3 electoral votes for president...and we didn't even have that until 1964.

    If you're not satisfied with the governments that have been elected over the past 200 years, maybe we should take away YOUR state's representation. Because I guarantee you that the people of your state have sent more people to Congress who have expanded federal power, than the residents of DC have (hint: we have sent zero).

    Like I said if you wish to ignore the intentions and live in place with no representation that is your choice, but don't cry to me about it. I have nothing to feel for you.
    You're not a libertarian, you are literally supporting a dictatorship.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What is kind of sad is that human beings (politicians, no less) who lived 200 years ago are so revered today by people who don't want to think for themselves.
    Just because I agree with them a great deal doesn't mean I don't think for myself. Now, why don't you come up with another attack that isn't slavery related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    What do you mean, I just praised their ideas
    I mean its never well they did this wrong. Its always well they were horrible people because they had slaves. So they were a product of their times like every other damn person alive at the time and just like every damn person alive today. Is this supposed to scare me off? It doesn't have a chance of doing anything of the sort, sorry.

    What I want to hear is people blast original intent and see if they can stand up to it, not blast them by saying they ****ed slaves in their free time. That is just meaningless gibberish that isn't worth the time it takes to write or speak.

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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Whose fault is THAT? You mother****ers that actually HAVE representation in Congress are the ones who elect our national government. The only representation that DC has at all in our federal government is 3 electoral votes for president...and we didn't even have that until 1964.
    I was never placing blame on the people of DC but many of them are the results of the problem.


    You're not a libertarian, you are literally supporting a dictatorship.
    No, I'm not. I support the idea you get some sense and move out of DC and all those people that work in the capital move to Maryland.
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    Re: New states?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I mean its never well they did this wrong. Its always well they were horrible people because they had slaves. So they were a product of their times like every other damn person alive at the time and just like every damn person alive today. Is this supposed to scare me off? It doesn't have a chance of doing anything of the sort, sorry.

    What I want to hear is people blast original intent and see if they can stand up to it, not blast them by saying they ****ed slaves in their free time. That is just meaningless gibberish that isn't worth the time it takes to write or speak.
    They weren't horrible people. They were flawed. They were human. They had ideas that are now outdated, such as slavery. Their ideas are not better because they thought of them. A good idea is a good idea of its own merit, not based on whose idea it was. 800,000 people living in our nation's capital without the right to elect their leaders or have any kind of real self-governance is not a good idea.

    The founders didn't want DC to be IN a state, because it would suggest an undue amount of favoritism toward that state. The people who ran the country would grant extra benefit to their home state. But let's take a look. Every congressman does this for their home state, and no single state has any kind of dominance. Plus, very few congressmen actually live in DC. They live in Maryland or Virginia. DC would have no special gifts afforded to it if it were to become a state. The reason for the founder's intention to keep the capital from statehood has proven to be incorrect.
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