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  • States should be able to take a vote and secede if they wish

    23 53.49%
  • Secession should not be an option

    11 25.58%
  • With qualifiers (those being)

    5 11.63%
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Thread: Should states have the right to secede?

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Which question is that answering?

    We are a nation of nations. The land of the state owns to the state first. The federal government just has a select amount of governing power granted to them by the union. It doesn't have any sort of ownership of the land.
    We are not under the Articles of Confederation, and it has been well established that the individual states have no right to secede, and the federal government has the right to stop the state from acting as it's own nation.
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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Constitution of the United States of America was ratified by the democratically-elected legislatures of the 13 Colonies, was it not?
    I don't really know or care but even if true, your point is....

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    It hardly feels like a Union anymore. Should states be able to take a vote and secede if they wish? Why or why not?
    Sure and I have a list of states whose papers I'm willing to fill out.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    I don't really know or care but even if true, your point is....
    you sarcastically asked if the states of the former USSR should be forced to rejoin with Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    So should the republics of the former USSR be forced to rejoin?

    I am pointed out that unlike the Republics of the former USSR, the 13 States of the Union had democratically-elected legislatures who voted in favor of ratifying the Constitution.

    please..please tell me you understand the difference.
    Last edited by Thunder; 07-04-11 at 09:08 PM.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    We are not under the Articles of Confederation
    I wasn't talking as if we were. The country was formed as nation of nations, and the land that is the states is the property of the state first, and the federal government has no ownership of that land. That applies beyond the Articles of Confederation.

    ..and it has been well established that the individual states have no right to secede, and the federal government has the right to stop the state from acting as it's own nation.
    By the courts, yes. What I am talking about is how it was formed and why the states agreed to join, which in the face of what the court said on the topic in the 1860's
    Last edited by Henrin; 07-04-11 at 11:09 PM.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The country was formed as nation of nations,..

    100% incorrect. and silly.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    100% incorrect. and silly.
    No its not silly or incorrect. You can perfectly join a union for common causes and still be a nation yourself. That is what America originally was more or less. The commerce clause you so love to rape wasn't meant for the fed to control commerce but way for them to keep piece in commerce between the members of the union. Sorry to burst your 1880-present bubble.

    Like I said earlier when the states joined they agreed to give up some of their sovereignty for a bit of protection of the federal government. The fed would control the military, they would control trade with other nations, and the states would handle the majority of the rest. It was never intended that the fed would order around the states on everyday manners like what you see today. It was never meant that the states would simply be treated like they were owned by the federal government and told they could never leave like they were simply slaves.
    Last edited by Henrin; 07-04-11 at 11:24 PM.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No its not silly or incorrect. You can perfectly join a union for common causes and still be a nation yourself. That is what America originally was more or less.

    so, The United States was a union of individual nations?

    you know, I've read a lot about my state of New York. I never read about us having our own Foreign Minister, or currency, or foreign policy, or immigration policy, or the right to limit travel from other states...after 1787.

    dude...your assertion is silly, stupid, crazy, and lazy.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so, The United States was a union of individual nations?

    you know, I've read a lot about my state of New York. I never read about us having our own Foreign Minister, or currency, or foreign policy, or immigration policy, or the right to limit travel from other states...after 1787.

    dude...your assertion is silly, stupid, crazy, and lazy.
    I said they gave up certain abilities when they joined the union. Just because they did this doesn't mean they weren't nations and treated as such. Don't be daft.
    Last edited by Henrin; 07-04-11 at 11:30 PM.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I said they gave up certain abilities when they joined the union. Just because they did this doesn't mean they weren't nations and treated as such. Don't be daft.
    suggesting that we were seperate nations, part of a larger nation, is silly and simply incorrect.

    did the States have the power to sign treaties? did they have the power to print currency?

    did they have the power to set foreign policy?

    did they have the power to limit travel from neighboring states?

    did they have a foreign minister? did they have the power to set immigration policy?

    what normal powers of a soveriegn nation, did the states have?

    none? thought not.

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