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  • States should be able to take a vote and secede if they wish

    23 53.49%
  • Secession should not be an option

    11 25.58%
  • With qualifiers (those being)

    5 11.63%
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Thread: Should states have the right to secede?

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Didn't we settle this issue last century?
    A court ruling that says members are forced to say in a union they willingly joined and were told they can leave means nothing.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    That is absolutely horrible, and unAmerican.
    No its American in fact. Its unAmerican to say you would force states to continue on without their approval and kill a great deal of their citizens to do it.


    The side we forced them to was the side against slavery. News flash: there isn't any more slavery. If you want a Confederacy, go to Europe.
    Would the blacks have been freed without the civil war? Yes.
    Would the blacks got equal treatment faster without the civil war. Yes
    Was the civil war about slaves. No.

    And why would I go to Europe? The EU is no better than the US in terms of sovereignty of their members.

    The point of being American, and the point of the United States is that they are indivisable. Every aspect of our country is built upon that foundation. To say this is wrong is to insult everything this country stands for, and is as radical and incorrect as suicide bombings.
    The entire point of the country is a union of states(countries) that can run their states as they wish and where the federal government acts to protect them from outside threats.
    Last edited by Henrin; 07-04-11 at 02:33 PM.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    And were crushed. Lesson: this house shall not be divided, whatever the cost may be.
    So you have no problem with the shear amount that died to get you little point across that they have to be a member even if they don't want to be anymore?

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A court ruling that says members are forced to say in a union they willingly joined and were told they can leave means nothing.
    The Civil War...
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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No its American in fact. Its unAmerican to say you would force states to continue on without their approval and kill a great deal of their citizens to do it.
    By that logic, a good deal of the Founding Fathers, along with Abraham Lincoln were all unAmerican. I can tell you without a doubt, Washington, Adams, Madison, etc. would have done the same in Lincoln's position, and that really defines what it means to be American. Unless you want to now tell me the FF's weren't real Americans.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Would the blacks have been freed without the civil war? Yes.
    Would the blacks got equal treatment faster without the civil war. Yes
    Was the civil war about slaves. No.
    1. Wrong. 2. Wrong. 3. It was about the same thing we're talking about right now. And history is on my side, not yours. The Union won the war, not the Confederacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And why would I go to Europe? The EU is no better than the US in terms of sovereignty of their members.
    They're a heck of a lot more decentralized. They are akin to what we had before the Constitution, and they have the same problems. Even then, they all know they have to stick together. You think Germany wants to bailout Greece? Hell no, but they do it anyway, because they'd rather forfeit their complete independence for some mutual security/benefits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The entire point of the country is a union of states(countries) that can run their states as they wish and where the federal government acts to protect them from outside threats.
    Not this Union.
    Last edited by repeter; 07-04-11 at 02:48 PM.
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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you have no problem with the shear amount that died to get you little point across that they have to be a member even if they don't want to be anymore?
    Just because you still don't understand the point doesn't mean it wasn't delivered, and understood.

    You do realize, if things worked out the way you would have had them, the United States probably would never have been created? All the compromises made to bring us together, all the deals and conventions held for the greater good, would not have been held or even considered if the FF's were as narrow-minded and absolute as you are. Amazing, more than 600,000 lives, hundreds of years, and countless Amendments, and people still cling to their dead beliefs.
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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No its American in fact. Its unAmerican to say you would force states to continue on without their approval and kill a great deal of their citizens to do it.
    and how do we know the population of a state wants to secede?

    what percent of the voters have to vote "yes" on the referendum?

    51%? that negates the views of 49% of the state's population.

    seceding from the Union, because 51% of the people who show up to vote say "yes", IS tryanny.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    So, could we be like Europe?
    No, We're talking about more state sovereignty , not less

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    The Civil War...
    No, the court ruling that said it was unconstitutional to secede came some four years after the civil war. The ruling has no bearing on the civil war.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, the court ruling that said it was unconstitutional to secede came some four years after the civil war. The ruling has no bearing on the civil war.
    Hatuey wasn't referring to any court ruling. He was referring to the outcome of the Civil War. If a state (or a group of states) try to secede, then they will be forcibly readmitted to the Union, with heavy consequences. That effectively settled this issue. Anything thereafter was a formality, and superfluous. 600,000 dead speak for themselves.
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