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  • States should be able to take a vote and secede if they wish

    23 53.49%
  • Secession should not be an option

    11 25.58%
  • With qualifiers (those being)

    5 11.63%
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Thread: Should states have the right to secede?

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    the Southern States did not seek the approval of the other states to secede.

    maybe they would have received it. but no, they simply decided to declare independence and attack Fort Sumter without provocation.

    nice.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Didn't we settle this issue last century?
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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Didn't we settle this issue last century?
    Well, actually it was the Century before the last Century (it's now the 21st Century), but essentially yes. Little thing called the "Civil War." Kind of important in history...

    I used to think that states should be able to secede. Then somebody pointed out to me that if anyone can leave the Union anytime they get a little miffed, it's not much of a Union is it?


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    So you would have let America split into two halfs had you been in Lincoln's shoes? That's exactly what you're saying is the right thing to do.

    Yes, you force them to stay part of the union, even if it requires blood. If they aren't willing to compromise now, force them to compromise later. That's all there is to it.
    James Buchanan did that. Largely seen as the worst President ever. Mostly because he was impotent when it came to using the power of his office. (Though I bet his boyfriend would tell you he wasn't impotent).


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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    So you would have let America split into two halfs had you been in Lincoln's shoes? That's exactly what you're saying is the right thing to do.
    Yes, I would have.

    Yes, you force them to stay part of the union, even if it requires blood. If they aren't willing to compromise now, force them to compromise later. That's all there is to it.
    Has the south ever actually came to your side yet? The answer is a astounding no. The further you force them to do as you wish the further they get from their thoughts on their state and the further the separation becomes. One the things people forget is this is why state rights are so important. Without them states are forced to be do a great deal of things they have no desire to do and become unwilling members of the union.
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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Passports to work at the Lexus dealership a mile outside Ohio?
    Why not? Thousands of people cross borders to work in Europe every day, (especially in places like Gibraltar). Also how to those who oppose this reconcile their stance with principles like the consent of the governed etc?

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, I would have.
    That is absolutely horrible, and unAmerican.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Has the south ever actually came to your side yet? The answer is a astounding no. The further you force them to do as you wish the further they get from their thoughts on their state and the further the separation becomes. One the things people forget is this is why state rights are so important. Without them states are forced to be do a great deal of things they have no desire to do and become unwilling members of the union.
    The side we forced them to was the side against slavery. News flash: there isn't any more slavery. If you want a Confederacy, go to Europe.

    The point of being American, and the point of the United States is that they are indivisable. Every aspect of our country is built upon that foundation. To say this is wrong is to insult everything this country stands for, and is as radical and incorrect as suicide bombings.
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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the Southern States did not seek the approval of the other states to secede.

    maybe they would have received it. but no, they simply decided to declare independence and attack Fort Sumter without provocation.

    nice.
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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    So, could we be like Europe?

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    Re: Should states have the right to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    States do have the right to secede, if all the other states agree, or if they can hold their own militarily.
    Against whom?

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