View Poll Results: Where do you land?

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  • I am wealthy, and favor tax hikes for the wealthy

    9 10.34%
  • I am not wealthy, and favor tax hikes for the wealthy

    32 36.78%
  • I am wealthy, and against tax hikes for the wealthy

    0 0%
  • I am not wealthy, and against tax hikes for the wealthy

    34 39.08%
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    Re: Where do you land

    If governments generally put as much energy into snuffing out tax avoidance/tax evasion schemes as they do into welfare fraud, and scaled back military spending a couple of percentage points, and reined in government PR advertising spend, no tax rises would be necessary. And how about insisting that all the banking hand-outs were repaid within a 12-24 month time frame?

    I have a feeling that some people believe that cutting government spending only really ought to apply to health, education and welfare, rather than all the governmental spending commitments equally.
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    Re: Where do you land

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Is this an "always has been so" thing, or new in say the past 20-30 years? Or always has been so but has gotten worse.

    Damn, I have poll brain. >.>
    If I remember correctly, the whole idea was started when the early progressives believed in the separation of the classes.
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    Re: Where do you land

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    What happens to the wealthy tax base when states implement a massive tax hike on the wealthy? It disappears. They move.
    This poll doesn't appear to be about a massive state tax hike on the wealthy, but we could use a poll on that. Please start one. thx

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    Re: Where do you land

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't think you've thought this through.

    I don't know where people get the idea that a man worth 400 million dollars, simply has a stack of money that he's sitting on, hoarding it, and it isn't doing anything. I know a number of wealthy people, though I'm working-poor myself, and none of them do that. They own businesses (that employ people!), they INVEST in businesses (that EMPLOY people!!), they buy stock in businesses (that EMPLOY people!!!), etc.
    The very wealthy have been moving their earnings overseas for some time. Here is a recent case. We live just a few miles from a Devos home. It’s close to the Amway factory in Ada on the Thornapple River. In fact Dan Devos was nailed in his 2006 run for governor of Michigan with and ad about how he was moving before tax money to sham post office box company in an island nation. He was one of the owners of that company. Do you understand now? No. I thought so.

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    Re: Where do you land

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    The very wealthy have been moving their earnings overseas for some time. Here is a recent case. We live just a few miles from a Devos home. It’s close to the Amway factory in Ada on the Thornapple River. In fact Dan Devos was nailed in his 2006 run for governor of Michigan with and ad about how he was moving before tax money to sham post office box company in an island nation. He was one of the owners of that company. Do you understand now? No. I thought so.
    No need to be rude, dude. Goshin is pretty damn intelligent. Your knowledge does not equal universal knowledge.

    FTR, I think the truth lies somewhere between the perceptions of the both of you.

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    Re: Where do you land

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    So much talk about how the wealthy deserve this, and the rich need that. Where do you fall in all this?
    I'm not wealthy but I support tax hikes on the wealthy. There are many people in this country who can be taxed extra and not have the slightest dent in their income and life. One of the many ways to get rid of a deficit is to raise taxes on those who can afford it. If I were wealthy, I would be willing to make the sacrifice. There are obviously wealthy people who think it's preposterous that they give some more of their money to help their country, but I would prefer it if people like that left the country anyway, so I'm not interested in their greedy bitchin'.

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    Re: Where do you land

    "Tax hike" is such a loaded word.

    I support closing tax loopholes on almost everything, and getting rid of almost all kinds of tax expenditures while lowering overall rates. It's high time the government stop micromanaging the tax code and subsidizing and incentivizing certain behaviors. There are certain people from ALL classes who are paying less than they should.

    Why do we subsidize childbearing? Why do we give tax incentives to homeowners but not renters? Why does the tax code favor married people over singles?
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    Re: Where do you land

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I'm not wealthy but I support tax hikes on the wealthy. There are many people in this country who can be taxed extra and not have the slightest dent in their income and life. One of the many ways to get rid of a deficit is to raise taxes on those who can afford it. If I were wealthy, I would be willing to make the sacrifice. There are obviously wealthy people who think it's preposterous that they give some more of their money to help their country, but I would prefer it if people like that left the country anyway, so I'm not interested in their greedy bitchin'.
    Exactly as stated, except to my perception, it would require no "sacrifice" on their part.

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    Re: Where do you land

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    "Tax hike" is such a loaded word.

    I support closing tax loopholes on almost everything, and getting rid of almost all kinds of tax expenditures while lowering overall rates. It's high time the government stop micromanaging the tax code and subsidizing certain behaviors. There are certain people from ALL classes who are paying less than they should.

    Why do we subsidize childbearing? Why do we give tax incentives to homeowners but not renters? Why does the tax code favor married people over singles?
    I recognize the same when people get bend about overhauling medicine. I don't think it's medicine that needs accountability/change. I think it's the insurance industry.

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    Re: Where do you land

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    "Tax hike" is such a loaded word.

    I support closing tax loopholes on almost everything, and getting rid of almost all kinds of tax expenditures while lowering overall rates. It's high time the government stop micromanaging the tax code and subsidizing certain behaviors. There are certain people from ALL classes who are paying less than they should.

    Why do we subsidize childbearing? Why do we give tax incentives to homeowners but not renters? Why does the tax code favor married people over singles?
    We need more people to work, to fund the entitlement programs for the elderly.
    Married people produce more kids, generally speaking.

    Home mortgage interest deduction mostly benefits wealthier people.
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