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  • Stop paying our debts

    17 41.46%
  • Stop paying our defense expenditures

    9 21.95%
  • Stop sending out social security checks

    14 34.15%
  • Stop paying Medicare/Medicaid

    21 51.22%
  • Stop paying everything not covered in one of the above categories

    5 12.20%
  • Print more money to pay for everything above

    1 2.44%
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    Re: Which obligations should the US stop paying in August?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is just he crap we know the government is wasting tax payer dollars on. More than likely there is more waste and excessive spending.
    The entire federal budget aside from the big-ticket items (social security, Medicare/Medicaid, defense, and the debt servicing itself) is only 45% of total spending. Even if that budget was incredibly wasteful, you don't have a lot of room to find one-third of all spending to cut.

    Consolidation of overlapping government agencies could save taxpayers 200 billion in ten years which is 20 billion a year.Government overlap costs taxpayers billions, GAO reports
    OK, that's another $20 billion per year to add to your list of savings.

    We could also remove marijuana from the list of drugs that the war on drugs is spent on. This would save some money from not having to incarcerate pot heads and pot dealers or the enforcement of laws against pot.
    OK, that's another $42 billion per year. You're up to $161.8 billion total, or 4.2% of total spending. Only 29.1% more to go.

    Long term spending is just as important as short term spending.
    I agree...in fact it's a lot MORE important. But that won't be the case if the government fails to raise the debt ceiling and suddenly has to eliminate one-third of federal expenditures, right now.
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    Re: Which obligations should the US stop paying in August?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't disagree...but are you suggesting we raise it a lot higher within the next month, effective immediately?
    The retirement age should have been going up years ago. At the very lease the required age should be 70 by now. The programs should not be used as a way to retire earlier. They should be used to help support people when they can no longer work or can no longer care for themselves.

    The qualifying retirement age should go up by at least 3 months every year until it reaches an acceptable level.


    Politicians have been sitting on their hands for far too long. And it is high time that those close to qualifying for SS and Medicare accept that they need to make sacrifices. In my mind anyone who is against making changes to SS and Medicare wants to destroy the programs for future generations and/or wants to bankrupt our country.

    People need to stop trying to tie the politicians hands and accept that we all need to make sacrifices!
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    Re: Which obligations should the US stop paying in August?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Medicare/Medicaid: 18% of our budget
    Defense: 16%
    Social security: 16%
    Your numbers are totally off.. Medicare and Social security are funded by income tax and bonds.. They are not an expenditure persay.. There is a mechanism to automatically pay them..

    Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2012

    The department of defense budget is $553 billion..

    Social Security is $12.5 Billion.. This also includes the increase that Obama promised to cover the back log..

    Medicare is not even listed for the above reason..

    But if you want to say medicare is covered in the department of health and human services, their budget is only $79.9 billion..

    A far cry from the $553 Billion that is defense.. You need to watch Fox news less and look up facts more!!
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    Re: Which obligations should the US stop paying in August?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm curious if any of you who oppose raising the debt ceiling (or encourage political brinkmanship in the hopes that your side will win a great deal at the eleventh hour) have actually considered the consequences of a default.

    If the debt ceiling is not raised, the government is not going to have enough money to meet its obligations. It needs approximately $318 billion just to pay its August bills. Additionally, the government has about $500 billion in debt that is coming due in August; if we are in default or de-facto default at the time, chances are at least some of that debt will not be rolled over and we'll have to come up with billions more.

    So I'm curious as to which of our bills you think should not be paid. Should we literally default on our debt? Should we stop paying our soldiers? Should we suddenly cut retirees off from social security and Medicare? Should we shut down the entire federal government (including "essential" services) by ceasing payments on our discretionary budget? Or should we just print more money to cover all of these expenses?

    My prediction: None of the people encouraging a default will have any legitimate answer, and they'll resent the entire premise of this question: that we need money to pay for things.

    Oh, not at all. This has me chortling and rubbing my hands together. I'll take that job.

    To start with...

    1. Stop all foreign aid payments
    2. Stop pay on all arts endowments.
    3. Stop pay on all science endowments not related to national security
    4. Shut down the BATFE, except for the NICS.
    5. Close down the DEA and the Fed Ed Board.
    6. Take a look at all those "duplicate agencies" assigned to the same problem... and shut all but one-per-category down.
    7. Stop paying Bush's Senior Drug program.... it never was very good to start with.
    8. Find all social programs that have produced zero results and shut them down.
    .... then we can start cutting back on Welfare and Medicaide as necessary, starting with those who are NOT disabled....

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    Re: Which obligations should the US stop paying in August?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Oh, not at all. This has me chortling and rubbing my hands together. I'll take that job.

    To start with...

    1. Stop all foreign aid payments
    2. Stop pay on all arts endowments.
    3. Stop pay on all science endowments not related to national security
    4. Shut down the BATFE, except for the NICS.
    5. Close down the DEA and the Fed Ed Board.
    6. Take a look at all those "duplicate agencies" assigned to the same problem... and shut all but one-per-category down.
    7. Stop paying Bush's Senior Drug program.... it never was very good to start with.
    8. Find all social programs that have produced zero results and shut them down.
    .... then we can start cutting back on Welfare and Medicaide as necessary, starting with those who are NOT disabled....
    You may not agree, but I'd also put a 20% across the board cut on the DoD and remove troops from Libya (NATO included) and Iraq - 100% of the troops, as well as close down in 2 years 20% of all foreign bases of operations in allied countries.
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    Re: Which obligations should the US stop paying in August?

    I would say dont pay china **** and dare them to do something about it but that's just me. In reality this is all a game to all our leaders. At the end of the day they all go to the same bar and order the same beers, smoke from the same blunts in their hotels, and snort coke off the same hookers. The debt ceiling will get raised.
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    Re: Which obligations should the US stop paying in August?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Salaries of all federally paid people

    From the President down to a private in the army
    That would be ok, except your average Army private is paid less than than a single mother of three, on welfare.

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    Re: Which obligations should the US stop paying in August?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    The retirement age should have been going up years ago. At the very lease the required age should be 70 by now. The programs should not be used as a way to retire earlier. They should be used to help support people when they can no longer work or can no longer care for themselves.

    The qualifying retirement age should go up by at least 3 months every year until it reaches an acceptable level.


    Politicians have been sitting on their hands for far too long. And it is high time that those close to qualifying for SS and Medicare accept that they need to make sacrifices. In my mind anyone who is against making changes to SS and Medicare wants to destroy the programs for future generations and/or wants to bankrupt our country.

    People need to stop trying to tie the politicians hands and accept that we all need to make sacrifices!
    Same question to you: I don't disagree with any of this...but are you suggesting we raise the retirement age a lot higher within the next month, effective immediately? If not, it has no relevance to the subject at hand, which is the imminent debt ceiling debate and the enormous spending cuts that will result if it isn't raised by the end of the month.
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    Re: Which obligations should the US stop paying in August?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Your numbers are totally off.. Medicare and Social security are funded by income tax and bonds.. They are not an expenditure persay.. There is a mechanism to automatically pay them..
    They ARE an expenditure, they just aren't DISCRETIONARY expenditures. And the fact that the government keeps a different set of books for entitlements doesn't change the fact that we have to pay for those programs, which will become vastly more difficult if Congress continues its brinkmanship, or especially if it actually doesn't make a deal by the end of the month.

    Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2012

    The department of defense budget is $553 billion..

    Social Security is $12.5 Billion.. This also includes the increase that Obama promised to cover the back log..

    Medicare is not even listed for the above reason..

    But if you want to say medicare is covered in the department of health and human services, their budget is only $79.9 billion..
    Social security is a lot more than $12.5 billion. That might be the budget for the Social Security ADMINISTRATION (i.e. the salaries for the people who send out the checks every week), but it's not the budget for social security. Similarly, Medicare is not part of the HHS budget.

    A far cry from the $553 Billion that is defense.. You need to watch Fox news less and look up facts more!!
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    Re: Which obligations should the US stop paying in August?

    We have over 800 miltary bases overseas. Let's start with those. Complaining about SS and Medicare is just a smokescreen since they come from a "trust" fund that is funded by a tax. Even worst case scenarios say that SS will be fine for another twenty years and then benefits will have to be cut unless something is done.

    Let's cut the #1 wast of our taxpayers' money. That is the "defense" budget which easily tops a trillion dollars a year but doesn't look nearly as bad in the "budget" because it is parted out and "hidden" in other categories.

    I mean for ****'s sake we are paying over $400 BILLION dollars in interest to fund these COMPLETELY USELESS WARS!!!!
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