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Thread: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

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    Re: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Obama has viewer former lobbyist as part of his Administration than the last four presidents before him.
    Whether he does or not is irrelevant. He said there would be none.

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    Re: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I disagree with the bold part.

    A corporation is merely a collective of a few persons at the top lobbying government for the good of the corporation but may not be the views of the majority of its share holders.
    And then again, it may be right? And if not, they can address that. Right?

    I have held stock in many corps and not once have any ever asked my opinion on political matters. The few times I have received correspondence in a political manner from companies I have owned stock in it has been to inform my on how I should vote to better insure the businesses interests and may or may not be better for the country.

    It is a means for the rich and powerful to influence government in the name of "collective interests".
    If you own 4 shares in something, your opinion isn't going to make a difference. If you disagree with their actions, simply sell.

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    Re: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If you own 4 shares in something, your opinion isn't going to make a difference. If you disagree with their actions, simply sell.
    Which isn't going to make a difference either, unless you have enough shares to cause the stock to decrease in value.
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    Re: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Which isn't going to make a difference either, unless you have enough shares to cause the stock to decrease in value.
    Right, you are irrelevant. Why you think your opinion matters here is beyond me.

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    Re: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Completely compatible.
    A corporation is merely a collective of people lobbying government.

    Democracy tends to end itself because it is the belief that all people have valid opinions in the operation of government.
    Basically, an appeal to the majority.
    Corporations are not held together by opinion beyond that of people desiring a paycheck. They are hardly the same as an ideological organization and should not be treated as similar for purposes of political participation.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 07-03-11 at 12:32 PM.

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    Re: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Right, you are irrelevant. Why you think your opinion matters here is beyond me.
    But see, the thing is, thats not democracy. That my friend is an oligarch/plutocracy
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    Re: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    But see, the thing is, thats not democracy. That my friend is an oligarch/plutocracy
    You have more votes than a corporation.

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    Re: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You have more votes than a corporation.
    And here is finally my main problem with the system. We have a federal system, that corps has the money to fund 1000s of elections, thus not having 1 vote as an entity, but 1000s.
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    Re: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    And here is finally my main problem with the system. We have a federal system, that corps has the money to fund 1000s of elections, thus not having 1 vote as an entity, but 1000s.
    Seems many are upset that they are in the minority opinion and want something to blame for that.

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    Re: Is Citizen's United et al (new rulings) compatible with democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Seems many are upset that they are in the minority opinion and want something to blame for that.
    That wasn't blame that was a statement of fact. Do you have a response to xpiher's argument or are you simply going to prove that you're unable to handle others' arguments by diverting the conversation with ad hominems?

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