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Should male circumcision be banned?

Should male circumcision be banned?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 21.2%

  • No

    Votes: 41 78.8%

  • Yes, but allow a clause for religious beliefs.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    52
SPC said:
This came out August 25, 2009.

Will Obama Appoint a Circumcision Czar?


The Centers for Disease Control Are Preparing to Recommend Mandatory Circumcision for American Boys as an AIDS Prevention Measure.

Patterico explains why this is stupid:


He and other experts acknowledged that although the clinical trials of circumcision in Africa had dramatic results, the effects of circumcision in the United States were likely to be more muted because the disease is less prevalent here, spreads through different routes, and the health systems are so disparate as to be incomparable.

Clinical trials in Kenya, South Africa and Uganda found that heterosexual men who were circumcised were up to 60 percent less likely to become infected with HIV over the course of the trials than those who were not circumcised. There is little to no evidence that circumcision protects men who have sex with men from infection. Another reason circumcision would have less effect in the United States is that some 79 percent of adult American men are already circumcised, public health officials say.”
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where is the link, please? and where is proof of your assertion that OBAMA wanted to make circumsion mandatory? oh wait, there is no proof, you are merely spewing limbaugh looniness. dismissed.

btw.....here is a link for you........http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/health/policy/24circumcision.html?_r=1&hp
 
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SPC said:
That article wasn't written by Limbaugh.
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exactly.......but LIMBAUGH used the words you used...that obama wanted to make circumcision mandatory. which is patently untrue, and you should admit such. also, do your research before posting outright lies, and stop believing everything the fat **** limbaugh says. have you tried his tea?
 
liblady said:
exactly.......but LIMBAUGH used the words you used...that obama wanted to make circumcision mandatory. which is patently untrue, and you should admit such. also, do your research before posting outright lies, and stop believing everything the fat **** limbaugh says. have you tried his tea?
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Nope, I don't like the taste of tea. And it isn't a lie. The CDC came up with the idea of making it mandatory under the direction of Obama.
 
SPC said:
Nope, I don't like the taste of tea. And it isn't a lie. The CDC came up with the idea of making it mandatory under the direction of Obama.
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lol....are you making yet MORE statements you can't prove?

it is a bald faced lie. it's good to know your agenda early on....and that you will post anything to discredit obama, WITHOUT PROOF.
 
There was a Jewish Rabbi who lived across the road from a Catholic Priest. One day the Catholics decided to buy the priest a new car. The Rabbi walked out in his front yard and noticed that the priest was out walking around the car with incense and sprinkling it with Holy Water. The Jews decided that they were not going to be outdone, so they bought the Rabbi a car as well. 8 days later the priest walked out in his front yard and noticed a commotion going on at the Rabbi's house. The entire synagogue was dancing around in the Rabbi's yard and the Rabbi was bent over cutting the end off the car's tailpipe.:lamo
 
liblady said:
lol....are you making yet MORE statements you can't prove?

it is a bald faced lie. it's good to know your agenda early on....and that you will post anything to discredit obama, WITHOUT PROOF.
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It was right there in the article. Didn't you bother to read it?
 
SPC said:
It was right there in the article. Didn't you bother to read it?
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provide the quote, from my link, which says obama wantes to make circumcision mandatory.

in fact, obama's name is not mentioned one time in that article, and in fact, the word mandatory is not mentioned either. so yes, you have lied in your infantile attempt to smear obama.
 
Look just my experience, most women will agree dicks aren't the best looking thing in the world but they also would rather it not look like a flesh sock either. I think this is great that something that matters so little has gone on for 4 pages, lets go another 4 people!
 
JohnWOlin said:
they also would rather it not look like a flesh sock either.
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I'm so glad we have you John. We can save so much time and money because you can just speak for all the women of the world instead of actually asking individuals what their opinion is. Is there anything else you would like to say on behalf of all the women of the world? :roll:
 
Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then
Wow. I question and check your sources. But this one is too fun. What is the one for this? Thanks!
SPC said:
Let's put it this way, it was done to me when I was a baby, and my wife and I have no problems sexually whatsoever. As a matter of fact, we both wear each other out.
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I worked with a guy for about 20 years. We often had closed door discussions on issues because we trusted each other. We shared personal stories etc. during that time. One day in the men’s room, we were standing next to each other, he told me that he had been circumcised because he’d occasionally get an uncommon infection. He had a recurrence anyway. There followed a bit of discussion, I was curious because he had essentially run a test. Engineers, scientists etc. do this all the time. He had before and after data. It was equivalent to testing only one machine with a single modification rather that a larger sample; but it was before and after data of a single modification. He volunteered that for him it worked fine both ways. But, I wanted to know what Karen thought about his penis before and after, specifically how it worked when coupling. Nothing else had changed; what a great test of a foreskin. So I asked. Of course he had gotten the answer already. She missed the feeling from the foreskin and it was significant.

What is interesting about your claims in this and other discussions is that a single sample of one condition proves to you the performance of that condition relative to the untested ones. And you accept this kind of false ‘data’ from others when it matches your beliefs. I’ve also found beliefs and tests w/o a control sample in engineering. The engineers make test errors believing they know the results of the test they didn’t run.
A frustrating story about this is that when I Google my name I find the results of belief driven testing that was done in my lab (I loaned lab space and gave advice) where the published results are false and I’m specifically thanked for supporting the testing. The testing was used to support the purchase of stuff that didn’t work, and that would be used to do more invalid testing.
 
JohnWOlin said:
Look just my experience, most women will agree dicks aren't the best looking thing in the world but they also would rather it not look like a flesh sock either. I think this is great that something that matters so little has gone on for 4 pages, lets go another 4 people!
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you know.......that's only because what we are accustomed to seeing is bare. if circumcision weren't the norm, i doubt we would care.
 
scourge99 said:
I'm so glad we have you John. We can save so much time and money because you can just speak for all the women of the world instead of actually asking individuals what their opinion is. Is there anything else you would like to say on behalf of all the women of the world? :roll:
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Why yes there is, "At your service ladies." ;)
 
scourge99 said:
I'm so glad we have you John. We can save so much time and money because you can just speak for all the women of the world instead of actually asking individuals what their opinion is. Is there anything else you would like to say on behalf of all the women of the world? :roll:
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Do you think I haven't overheard my wife and her friends talking from time to time? Something else I''ve learned from hearing them talk too, size doesn't matter. It's not the size of the bone, it's how well you bury it.
 
MistressNomad said:
Ban it. And no, it's not all about the pain. It's also about...
1. The trauma that it may cause.
2. Relatively high risk of complications when done in infants, some of which may require corrective surgery.
3. High risk of changes or even dysfunction in sexual function (in fact, this is why we started doing it in the West - to try to stop boys from masturbating by make them less sensitive - it was NOT for hygiene reasons).
4. No significant advantages (the hygiene thing is total bogus, most boys' foreskins work just fine or can be made to with minor stretching, the STD claims are wildly exaggerated).
5. Removes as much as 80% of the nerve endings in the penis and finally...
6. It is performed on a NON-CONSENTING individual, and it cannot be undone. Even if none of the above were true I would still be against it for this reason.

Temporal is right; it's genital mutilation as much as FGM is. Why we still tolerate performing it on infants in this country is so beyond me.
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Again, freedom of religion.
 
MistressNomad said:
There is no way you couldn't have exerpienced 4-6. You definitely, definitely did. Like I said, you have nothing to compare it against. But it was definitely non-consensual, and anatomically it's just a fact that the foreskin has a ton of nerve endings in it. The body is good at compensating to a degree, but that doesn't make it less true.

You also have a really weird idea about how much "effort" having a foreskin is. Guess what: cut guys can have gross dicks just as easily as uncut guys, and it takes a fraction of a second to clean under the foreskin.

Some women have to do the same thing, if they have a larger clitoral hood. Shall we cut it off?
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By him saying that he doesn't care that he is circumsized, he's consenting to it, therefore it was not non-consensual.
 
SPC said:
It's funny how some people have a problem with circumcising a baby, but don't have a problem with killing it in the womb.
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I was hoping I wasn't the one that was going to have to say it. :)
 
Both male and female circumcision should be illegal. If parents had a child's finger amputated for no good reason, they would be guilty child abuse. Circumcision is painful and unnecessary and has no benefits other than to fit in with peers. It's also child abuse. I don't care if some religions call for it. Religion doesn't give someone the right to abuse a child.
 
SPC said:
Do you think I haven't overheard my wife and her friends talking from time to time?
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Do you think your wife and friends represent the opinion of all or most women of the world or even the US or your state or city or even neighborhood?
 
scourge99 said:
Do you think your wife and friends represent the opinion of all or most women of the world or even the US or your state or city or even neighborhood?
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Considering my wife has friends from all over the country I would say "Yes."
 
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