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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Like hell it isn't. So there.
    I have no idea what you definition of nanny state is if you think that protecting people from an act that is guaranteed to cause bodily harm is a nanny state action. Why don't you explain it so we can move on.


    I'm glad we've kept to the high road here, and maintained a lofty intellectual tone to the debate.
    I'm not one to give effort when none is given. If you want this to be a one sided intellectual debate where your opponent offers all signs of intelligence have it with someone else.

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I have no idea what you definition of nanny state is if you think that protecting people from an act that is guaranteed to cause bodily harm is a nanny state action. Why don't you explain it so we can move on.
    Male circumcision elicits no harmful effects. Not a word from you however on things that really are potentially harmful to the body such as repetitive cosmetic surgery, liposuction gone bad, tanning beds, etc.

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Male circumcision elicits no harmful effects.
    It desensitizes the glans of the penis and interferes with its ability to produce adequate lubrication.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Not a word from you however on things that really are potentially harmful to the body such as repetitive cosmetic surgery, liposuction gone bad, tanning beds, etc.
    If adults want to do that to themselves, then by all means they should be allowed to, but they shouldn't be allowed to impose those things upon their children.

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Male circumcision elicits no harmful effects. Not a word from you however on things that really are potentially harmful to the body such as repetitive cosmetic surgery, liposuction gone bad, tanning beds, etc.
    Why is only one side in this thread actually attempting to have a discussion and the other side just wants to deflect everything?

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    It's genital mutilation, and what's worse: people blindly believe studies telling them that this procedure protects them from STDs.

    I don't think it should be banned. But it shouldn't be encouraged, either.
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    I didn't insert an insult, I just agreed with it.
    Oh, sorry for my mistake. Agreeing with an insult makes you a follower in this case. And, your correct, it's not as bad a being a leader. Sorry again for the equate.

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I've been trying to tell Tucker the same damn thing in another thread. apparently he thinks "scientific studies" are infallible.
    That's nothing at all like you were telling me.

    In fact, a review of the methodology was exactly the reason I gave for judging a study. You wish to claim they are wrong simply because you disagree with tehm. Big difference.

    So please stop lying about our discussions when I'm not around. It's petty and childish.

    P.S. Now I am calling you a liar because I can prove that it is true.
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    These "studies" have been highly criticized and discredited because of their methodological problems. For example, they did not complete their study. They just stopped as soon as they got the data they were looking for.

    And even if it was true its still insignificant protection. Condoms and other prophylactics provide real, measurable, protection whereas circumcision does not.
    Somebody could try to refute this statement. That would be interesting.
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    From the CDC. Let me note that again........From the CDC.

    Several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex.

    Compared with the dry external skin surface, the inner mucosa of the foreskin has less keratinization (deposition of fibrous protein), a higher density of target cells for HIV infection (Langerhans cells), and is more susceptible to HIV infection than other penile tissue in laboratory studies [2]. The foreskin may also have greater susceptibility to traumatic epithelial disruptions (tears) during intercourse, providing a portal of entry for pathogens, including HIV [3]. In addition, the microenvironment in the preputial sac between the unretracted foreskin and the glans penis may be conducive to viral survival [1]. Finally, the higher rates of sexually transmitted genital ulcerative disease, such as syphilis, observed in uncircumcised men may also increase susceptibility to HIV infection [4].

    As I said early on, if you are even vaguely aware with the nuts and bolts you can understand why this would be.

    A systematic review and meta-analysis that focused on male circumcision and heterosexual transmission of HIV in Africa was published in 2000 [5]. It included 19 cross-sectional studies, 5 case-control studies, 3 cohort studies, and 1 partner study. A substantial protective effect of male circumcision on risk for HIV infection was noted, along with a reduced risk for genital ulcer disease. After adjustment for confounding factors in the population-based studies, the relative risk for HIV infection was 44% lower in circumcised men. The strongest association was seen in men at high risk, such as patients at sexually transmitted disease (STD) clinics, for whom the adjusted relative risk was 71% lower for circumcised men.

    It would appear that these studies were concluded and pretty thorough.

    Male Circumcision and Risk for HIV Transmission: Implications for the United States | Factsheets | CDC HIV/AIDS

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    I am still pretty astonished at how emotional and downright vicious some people get over this issue. Particularly baffling is that many of the most irate don't have a penis! :


    WTH is the big deal? Let those who want to do it, do it; those who don't, don't.

    I mean WTF? My parents had me circumcised at birth; I don't give a ****. My son was circumcised at birth; he's never had any problems. Times when I've had to use communal showers or common changing rooms, something like 95% of the men appeared to be circumcised as far as I noticed, and I've yet to meet a single man who's told me it caused him problems or he wished he hadn't been.

    If you don't like it, don't do it. Dayum.

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