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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Once again, the government has no place here, at all.
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Circumcision Can Reduce AIDS Risk, Study Says

    Circumcision Can Reduce AIDS Risk, Study Says

    What if you aren't religious but simply want to hedge your bets?
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Its a little less painful when im only a few days old, rather than 18. Stupid and pointless bill.
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    Female circumcision is done predominantly by Muslims and it is done to eliminate the sex drive so women will not be unfaithful to their husbands. With males it is done for sanitary reasons. It also enhances the male sex drive as they get older. It is done for two totally different reasons concerning the sexes.
    The modern excuse is that it's for sanitary reasons. Circumcision originates with religion... it's the covenant with God. It's to hinder masturbation, which is to hinder sexual function outside of intercourse. If it were about sanitation then it would be a relatively universal practice. Most of the world's men are not circumcised.

    They're not apples and oranges. Both practices originated from the same reasoning. The male version has just received the convenience of modern backing.

    The bit about enhancing male sex drive is totally unverifiable. Sounds like one of the many myths perpetuated by people who support circumcision but have no real basis for their practice.

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    It is my(possibly mistaken) understanding that it is done, at least in part, for religious reasons. Unless it is actually harmful for the child, I think it should therefore be allowed.
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The modern excuse is that it's for sanitary reasons. Circumcision originates with religion... it's the covenant with God. It's to hinder masturbation, which is to hinder sexual function outside of intercourse. If it were about sanitation then it would be a relatively universal practice. Most of the world's men are not circumcised.

    They're not apples and oranges. Both practices originated from the same reasoning. The male version has just received the convenience of modern backing.

    The bit about enhancing male sex drive is totally unverifiable. Sounds like one of the many myths perpetuated by people who support circumcision but have no real basis for their practice.
    Who cares what the reasoning is. The government has no right to tell people that they can't have a circumcision. It's not harmful and the government has no reasoning to ban it. California is just full of ignorance.
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Who cares what the reasoning is. The government has no right to tell people that they can't have a circumcision. It's not harmful and the government has no reasoning to ban it. California is just full of ignorance.
    I'm talking about circumcision in general and why my son was not cut at birth. What CA does is its own business. My interpretation of the CA law is that it violates freedom of religion. But then, why should religion get to do what it wants just because it's religion? If my religion demanded that I sacrifice my first born to my god, should I be allowed to do it? Obviously not. A rabbi cutting a baby and then orally sucking the blood out is "okay" but in any other context that could be considered child molestation. Sorry, but tradition doesn't always get veto power over modern common sense.

    Whether or not it's harmful is up for debate. I have read in various places that it impacts the child's disposition and pain response for the rest of their life. You may not remember having the procedure done because your concept of "you" did not exist yet; but your body and your neurology remembers. The notion that cutting off one of the most sensitive pieces of tissue in the body of a newborn without anaesthetic could not impact a newborn is beyond me. DO SOME RESEARCH PLEASE.

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I'm talking about circumcision in general and why my son was not cut at birth. What CA does is its own business. My interpretation of the CA law is that it violates freedom of religion. But then, why should religion get to do what it wants just because it's religion? If my religion demanded that I sacrifice my first born to my god, should I be allowed to do it? Obviously not. A rabbi cutting a baby and then orally sucking the blood out is "okay" but in any other context that could be considered child molestation. Sorry, but tradition doesn't always get veto power over modern common sense.

    Whether or not it's harmful is up for debate. I have read in various places that it impacts the child's disposition and pain response for the rest of their life. You may not remember having the procedure done because your concept of "you" did not exist yet; but your body and your neurology remembers. The notion that cutting off one of the most sensitive pieces of tissue in the body of a newborn without anaesthetic could not impact a newborn is beyond me. DO SOME RESEARCH PLEASE.
    I actually never had it done, I just, as I've said and as you just said, that it would be a constraint on freedom of religion.
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    I actually never had it done, I just, as I've said and as you just said, that it would be a constraint on freedom of religion.
    I don't believe that legislating a ban will really change people's minds about it. Circumcision is already on a downturn in the western world, especially because most public health services won't cover it. It will take time but it will happen.

    What CA is doing is just going to make people angry and resentful, and stick to their guns about it.

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