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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Uh, a planceta isn't part of a person. But anyway...
    Of course it is. If it wasn't there would be no need to snip it off.

    Science sees a harm. No one who had it done as an infant as anything to compare it against.
    Science also sees no harm.

    I really don't understand why this particular kind of non-consensual surgery is ok, and all others are not. It has been shown to you over and over that the "benefits" are almost entirely myths.
    All surgery done to minors is non-consensual. You've also stated your opinion. An opinion that is counter to the overwhelming vast majority that have had it done.

    For the record, I'm against infant ear piercing too. I find that somewhat less heinous, since it can heal. But I still don't think it's right.
    Again, really no harm. I'm not a big fan with infants either but it's not my call.

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    The only parts we care about are the criticisms of the "circumcision reduces HIV" studies. Care to tackle that or will you continue to dodge and dance by citing irrelevant portions?
    There are countless articles to be found that states that there is a benefit in helping reduce the risk of getting AIDS. Even a basic idea of the nuts and bolts would allow one to see why this is possible.

    In a perfect world, there is basically no difference. The world is anything but perfect.

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    It's an impediment once a baby is born. So no, it isn't supposed to be there after birth. This is a beyond stupid argument.

    If you think science sees no harm, then you simply haven't been reading, preferring to believe you're right for no reason and persist with your false information.

    Non-consensual medically necessary surgery is a rather different thing from non-consensual cosmetic surgery. If you can't even admit that, then you're really beyond hope.

    The majority who've had it done 1. Have no idea what it may have been like otherwise, and 2. Have a lot of their self-concept wrapped up in their penis - if that were true, like I said, there wouldn't be foreskin reconstruction available and booming.

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post

    5. Removes as much as 80% of the nerve endings in the penis and finally...
    wow, was unaware that 80% of the nerve endings in the penis were in that tiny little foreskin.

    6. It is performed on a NON-CONSENTING individual, and it cannot be undone.
    so is abortion, but that is perfectly legal too
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    It's an impediment once a baby is born. So no, it isn't supposed to be there after birth. This is a beyond stupid argument.
    As I believe the entire discussion to be.

    If you think science sees no harm, then you simply haven't been reading, preferring to believe you're right for no reason and persist with your false information.

    Non-consensual medically necessary surgery is a rather different thing from non-consensual cosmetic surgery. If you can't even admit that, then you're really beyond hope.

    The majority who've had it done 1. Have no idea what it may have been like otherwise, and 2. Have a lot of their self-concept wrapped up in their penis - if that were true, like I said, there wouldn't be foreskin reconstruction available and booming.
    The surgery to have it removed in an adult has been around even longer. Having horns implanted in your head is a growing procedure also.

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Which conflicting studies?

    Homosexuality falls into the domain of psychology/sociology. Soft sciences.


    Which two studies on AGW are the same but produce different conclusions? And please cite studies from a legitimate and respected scientific journal.

    A study on ice cores and a study on ocean levels are NOT the same study.
    waste of time, you are obviously one of those people who believes any poll/study whose conclusions agree with your position
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    There are countless articles to be found that states that there is a benefit in helping reduce the risk of getting AIDS.
    Assuming the studies are right, which are highly disputed, it only a 2% risk reduction. Wowzers!!

    And then you ignore the complications associated with circumcision which counter that small benefit.

    The time and energy would be better spent providing condoms and education. Circumcision is NOT an effective nor efficient solution for the HIV/AIDS problem.
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The surgery to have it removed in an adult has been around even longer. Having horns implanted in your head is a growing procedure also.
    I happen to know enough that that to know that, once again, you're making a totally fallacious argument. Implants of that sort are typically done in piercing studios, and precious few of them at that.

    Foreskin reconstruction is part of a huge industry. The surgery itself is a long, long way away from giving the sorts of results men who get it are looking for, but it wouldn't be there if not for demand. Specifically, a demand by men who feel they were robbed of something (even if it's only their bodily sovreignty) by being circumcised non-consensually. Comparing it to a rare and fringe procedure performed usually out of curiosity that isn't even popular enough to be performed in mainstream settings is, again, ridiculous. You have a habit of making ridiculous arugments.

    Do you have an intent to address anything relevant to the argument at all?

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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    amazing what a difference a few seconds make.

    as long as the baby is still in the mothers womb, it can be brutally murdered because of "choice" but a few seconds later that same baby is an individual and must be protected from being brutalized by a relatively harmless procedure.
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    Re: Should male circumcision be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    waste of time,
    I agree that you are wasting your time. You are once again caught red-handed making statements and claims you can't back up.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you are obviously one of those people who believes any poll/study whose conclusions agree with your position
    I'm open to any polls or studies that go against my position on the CONDITION that they come from respected and legitimate sources.

    That you cry and whine when you can't produce studies to support your claims is a prime indication about just how reasonable you are.
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