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Thread: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Molotok View Post
    Anyway, I might add that crime rates in the US is worse than crime in Russia right now. XD
    Russian police are 20X more corrupt then american police are. And there is a lot more organized crime there too.

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I was obviously mocking celticwar17. You guys ruined it by making me explain myself.
    That was horribly executed...

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    This is an interesting thread. I found a Q&A on Yahoo Answers where they ask what life was like during the Soviet Union. The answers from people who actually lived there sound credible. They make me think life wasn't as bad there as we in America have been lead to believe.

    What was life in the Soviet Union like?

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    This is an interesting thread. I found a Q&A on Yahoo Answers where they ask what life was like during the Soviet Union. The answers from people who actually lived there sound credible. They make me think life wasn't as bad there as we in America have been lead to believe.

    What was life in the Soviet Union like?
    Yup - my wife came here as a POLITICAL REFUGEE from Communist Hungary and she said MANY TIMES that the police here are worse than what she was raised with there.

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    This is an interesting thread. I found a Q&A on Yahoo Answers where they ask what life was like during the Soviet Union. The answers from people who actually lived there sound credible. They make me think life wasn't as bad there as we in America have been lead to believe.

    What was life in the Soviet Union like?
    But of course, the propaganda wasn't sleeping. The badass Russians will come and conquer America or nuke it flat or both! Hm, not really.

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    This is an interesting thread. I found a Q&A on Yahoo Answers where they ask what life was like during the Soviet Union. The answers from people who actually lived there sound credible. They make me think life wasn't as bad there as we in America have been lead to believe.

    What was life in the Soviet Union like?
    It really wasn't. In fact, having lived in the States for a short while, as well as the UK, France and Russia, I would say that, the most striking thing about life in the USSR v. the USA was how similar it was.

    I'm not saying that life in the USSR was better than life in the USA. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that everywhere you turned, in either country, you'd be confronted with largely the same situation. If you were in the upper-crust of Soviet society, a Party member, you did not know want. If you were rich in the States, you did not know want. However, if you were a poor Ukrainian peasant in the Soviet Union, you were in for some hard times of repression and hunger. Similarly, if you were a black man in the South of the US, you'd face the same trials.

    The Cold War's over, I don't see why one side continues to demonise the other, when the other thoroughly doesn't care any more.

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Molotok View Post
    It really wasn't. In fact, having lived in the States for a short while, as well as the UK, France and Russia, I would say that, the most striking thing about life in the USSR v. the USA was how similar it was.
    In the sense that you wake up, go to school, have a job, etc....sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Molotok View Post
    I'm not saying that life in the USSR was better than life in the USA. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that everywhere you turned, in either country, you'd be confronted with largely the same situation. If you were in the upper-crust of Soviet society, a Party member, you did not know want. If you were rich in the States, you did not know want. However, if you were a poor Ukrainian peasant in the Soviet Union, you were in for some hard times of repression and hunger. Similarly, if you were a black man in the South of the US, you'd face the same trials.
    A black man in 1932 did not face the Holodomor.

    Besides, I don't think comparing extremes while ignoring the life of the "average" citizen is really the way to go here. In that respect, the American middle-class comes out ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Molotok View Post
    The Cold War's over, I don't see why one side continues to demonise the other, when the other thoroughly doesn't care any more.
    The other side doesn't exist anymore.
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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    With Medvedev sort of going against Putin on things, I think it is getting better since there is actual political debate and discussion there now.

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    In the sense that you wake up, go to school, have a job, etc....sure.



    A black man in 1932 did not face the Holodomor.

    Besides, I don't think comparing extremes while ignoring the life of the "average" citizen is really the way to go here. In that respect, the American middle-class comes out ahead.



    The other side doesn't exist anymore.
    No, indeed not. The Holodomor was horrible, and Stalin a monster. No one would ever dream to claim he wasn't. But there's this tendency in the States to believe, somehow, incredibly, that Stalin represented the entirety of our nation. He didn't. He died in 1953, after which he was denounced and dethroned, and life got better. Just around the time the middle class in America started appearing, as well.

    But that's the thing. We're comparing the two Cold War nations, are we not? The Cold War only started around that time -- the horrors of the 1930's, while terrible, were not and are not considered part of the Cold War. An arbitrary definition? I don't think so. The Second World War changed the face of the world, but no country was changed more than the Soviet Union, the battered victor over Nazism, who lost tens of millions of citizens defending the world against Hitler, only to be shunned by the rest of her allies afterwards. It's at that point you can start the 'competition', so to speak -- not in the 1920's when revolutionary fire still burnt through the steppes, not in the 1930's when a monster seized power and nearly drove the nation into the ground, and not in the 1940's when the Soviet Union was busy winning the largest war in the history of mankind.

    Now, in a comparison of the American middle class of, say, 1965, and the Soviet 'middle' class of, say, 1965, it's true enough that the Americans will come out with a few more amenities. The Soviets had an apartment, a car, a tv, some food and some vodka, a job and a vacation. The Americans probably had all that plus a refrigerator and a microwave. :P In return, the crime rate in the Soviet Union was less than the crime rate of that in America. In America you got denounced for being a commie, in the Soviet Union you get denounced for being a capitalist spy. In both countries millions suffered, millions prospered, and most people just went on with their average lives.

    It's the truth, I assure you.


    One last point, though -- the other side isn't gone. :P That one always tickles me -- we're right here. Russia's got a different name now, and a different flag, and perhaps a different way of making people beg for oil and gas, true enough, but the Russians never change, and so the heart of the country will never change.

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    How was the Soviet Union shunned by her allies? Just looking for some views on that.

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