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Thread: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Russia is still a dictatorship, but it's much more well run now. The economy is doing well, and you're not really in any danger from the government unless you directly screw with Bad Vlad. It's actually one of the best dictatorships in history, IMO.
    I hear that organized crime has gotten much, much worse, however.

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Definatly getting worse. Corruption up off the wahoo. Inequality. Public infastrucutre crumbling. Crime way up.
    All can be said is the effect of the shock doctrine.


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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Russia is getting worse, I think. But that is to be expected.

    The solution, imho, is called "decentralization". If you bare the consequences of your immediate actions you wouldn't want to cheat the people that you watch every day in the eyes in your village, town or city. However, if somebody 2000 km away decides how you should live your life, you wouldn't give a ****.
    Russian bureaucracy is awful. So is the Russian state.

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17
    In the Soviet Union there was killing and basically slave labor.
    There's killing in every country on earth.

    There wasn't slave labor in the USSR.

    They have become a lot more globalized now too, instead of so secluded
    The USSR wasn't secluded whatsoever. Your entire post makes no sense at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy
    Economically, things are certainly much better.
    For whom? The collapse of the USSR was absolutely terrible for the majority of Russian citizens.

    People are free to practice their religions, which is also a good thing.
    Wasn't this reinstated under Khruschev or Brezhnev or someone before the collapse? I'm not too familiar with late Soviet history.

    Also, as far as I was aware, people were free to practice their religion. They just weren't free to institutionalize it. Could be wrong, though.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Ive been to Russia a number of times since the fall of the USSR. Its better in many respects and worse in other respects. Corruption, organized crime, and human trafficking are interrelated and serious problems.

    אשכנזי היהודי Белый Россию

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    There's killing in every country on earth.

    There wasn't slave labor in the USSR.



    The USSR wasn't secluded whatsoever. Your entire post makes no sense at all.
    I didnt say there was slave labor, but pretty much there was under the communist state. Much like people say about the Chinese making their citizens have pretty much slave labor.

    And yes they were secluded. But you do not know what i mean by secluded. They were a lot more culturally exclusive/nationalist before and now they have let up on that a good amount, letting globalization come in and expose themselves to a lot more new and different things. Before... NOTHING was coming in or out of that country!

    -_- your passion for the soviet union clouds your mind enough to overlook simple statements.
    Last edited by celticwar17; 06-30-11 at 11:22 AM.

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17
    I didnt say there was slave labor, but pretty much there was under the communist state. Much like people say about the Chinese making their citizens have pretty much slave labor.
    There isn't "pretty much slave labor". Either there is slave labor or there is not. Slave labor is not based on a quantitative scale, it's a specific qualitative thing.

    And yes they were secluded. But you do not know what i mean by secluded. They were a lot more culturally exclusive/nationalist before and now they have let up on that a good amount, letting globalization come in and expose themselves to a lot more new and different things. Before... NOTHING was coming in or out of that country!
    "Seclusion" isn't based on whether or not western capital is allowed to penetrate a country.

    -_- your passion for the soviet union clouds your mind enough to overlook simple statements.
    What passion?
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    There isn't "pretty much slave labor". Either there is slave labor or there is not. Slave labor is not based on a quantitative scale, it's a specific qualitative thing.
    No, you fail to know the use of my language. Pretty much slave labor, is working for wages that is "pretty much" nothing so it might as well be slave labor, and absolutely not enough to provide for oneself. So in terms of that, the soviet Union system was actually worse then slave labor for a lot of the population because at least slaves generally get provided food/ shelter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post

    "Seclusion" isn't based on whether or not western capital is allowed to penetrate a country.
    It wasn't just western capital, it was cultural materials from ANYWHERE other then the communist state. Nothing was allowed to leave or enter in order to keep the population culturally brainwashed.
    Even today you are not allowed to bring out Russian cultural things.

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17
    No, you fail to know the use of my language. Pretty much slave labor, is working for wages that is "pretty much" nothing so it might as well be slave labor, and absolutely not enough to provide for oneself. So in terms of that, the soviet Union system was actually worse then slave labor for a lot of the population because at least slaves generally get provided food/ shelter.
    Slave labor means that one is owned and does labor for their owner. One does not get a wage in slave labor. You are using emotionally charged yet meaningless rhetoric. If you want to talk about the wages in the USSR and how low they were then talk about it and cite your sources and stop using whiny emotionally charged rhetoric.

    It wasn't just western capital, it was cultural materials from ANYWHERE other then the communist state. Nothing was allowed to leave or enter in order to keep the population culturally brainwashed.
    Ah, so you meant globalization in the cultural sense. This is still wrong, simply because of the fact that the Soviet Union was not "isolated" even if it didn't let anything from western Europe in (which also isn't true, but let's say it is for the sake of showing how wrong you are).
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Is Russia just as bad as the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    What do you think of Russia?

    Is it getting better? Or getting worse? Or is it the same as in Soviet Days.?


    IMO Russia has level with the USSR. It has gotten better in economics and freeoms, but losing out in corruption and how much the government actually cares about its people.
    AGREE - Consider this:
    • Who was head of the former KGB? Putin
    • Who has been Prime Minister of Russia? Putin


    When you add that to the fact that a retired Hollywood actor
    demanded our MAIN enemy in the Cold War
    to TAKE DOWN THAT WALL .... and they did?
    WHY??

    .... because we lost enough FREEDOM to merge with their political values

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