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    Re: Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I am assuming simply for the purpose of the hypothetical that all situations presented are known to be true (i.e. that he is the rapist, that he was wrongly either never tried or dismissed, etc).

    Of course, if these aren't known truths, that changes everything. But I'm allowing it to be true simply in the spirit of the hypothetical, which I'm assuming it only meant to deal with the end scenario: you know he wasn't at the murder scene.
    Depends on the type of murder. If it was premeditated, prolly not. Reason being is that if someone kills another in a premeditated way then it is quite possible that they will kill again the same way. As such I would have the blood of the second person on MY hands...not to mention the second murder would inevitably exonerate that bastard that raped my daughter. So keeping my mouth shut would ultimately do no good.

    If however it was the type of murder that only happens once in that persons life time..such as a crime of passion (such as when a husband comes home to find his wife boinking the mail man) then yeah, I'd keep my mouth shut. Yeah, I might feel a bit guilty. But not enough to open my mouth and give the bastard that raped my daughter an alibi.
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    Re: Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    He should be able to find evidence that doesn't include said individual for his alibi.

    If he was at a restaurant then he should have a receipt - other witnesses - **** - a life that doesn't require that the individual who was once wronged to be expected to be their friend, now, and defend them in court.

    But I'm lost: how can there be not enough evidence to convict a rapist of a crime that was committed - but not enough evidence to not convict a man of a crime that wasn't committed? Someone see something totally ****ed up with that? . . . That sounds like a failed justice system, to me.

    With the way this is going it sounds like there wouldn't be enough evidence to convict him of a crime he didn't commit anyway.

    And what makes her the one doing wrong by doing nothing? What about this other individual - where is his wrong and right sphere and why isnt' that being questioned?
    It is not unheard of that a criminal get off on charges of which they were obviously guilty. Remember OJ? Criminals can get off scott free due to a technicality.
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    Re: Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

    Taking into account that my family[me and my daughter] were positive this person raped my daughter...and for whatever reason[I dont really know what that could be....] the rapist could not be charged and tried for the rape; the rapist would not be sitting in the restaurant and I most likely would have been hearing the news of the murder investagation from prison...
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    Re: Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

    I'd bluff and try to pressure the rapist into confessing for the rape in return for giving him the murder alibi. If he calls my bluff, I'd still testify in order to prevent the real murderer from going free. Afterwards, I would work out a plan to frame the guy for a crime carrying a similar sentence to rape.

    Its a very poor hypothetical for about a dozen reasons though.

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    Re: Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Molotok View Post
    Eh, I don't think so. I think Justice, as a metaphysical entity (as it were), cares not about the evidence or lack thereof, nor the truths or falsehoods of a case. She only cares for giving everyone their due, and for the rapist who goes free of one crime only to be booked for another he didn't commit -- well, to me, that would satisfy Justice, even if it weren't honourable (truthful).
    Why is justice of value? "Giving everyone their due" is a normative statement. If honor is of no value then neither is the concept of justice as both are dependent on their being a right and wrong.

    The rapist is not due a rape charge, though. What you are advocating is revenge.

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    Re: Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

    Truthfully if he raped my 13 year old daughter, and did not go to jail for it, it would be nearly impossible for him to kill someone six months later. Being an invalid would do that to a person
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    Re: Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Depends on the type of murder. If it was premeditated, prolly not. Reason being is that if someone kills another in a premeditated way then it is quite possible that they will kill again the same way. As such I would have the blood of the second person on MY hands...not to mention the second murder would inevitably exonerate that bastard that raped my daughter. So keeping my mouth shut would ultimately do no good.

    If however it was the type of murder that only happens once in that persons life time..such as a crime of passion (such as when a husband comes home to find his wife boinking the mail man) then yeah, I'd keep my mouth shut. Yeah, I might feel a bit guilty. But not enough to open my mouth and give the bastard that raped my daughter an alibi.
    Precisely. I've been mulling over the problem Your Star presented, and was just about to say where I got to with it.

    The average profile for a rapist is considerably worse and more violent than the average profile for a murderer.

    That may sound contradictory at first, but like you said, there are crimes of passion, accidental homocides, etc. Anyone can murder under the right circumstances. Rape is not subject to such passions. It's an exercise in power, and it is calculated the overwhelming majority of the time. Rape is usually performed either coldly, or with delight. It is not typically performed in rage, sexual lust, etc.

    The odds of a rapist re-offending on average are higher than those of a murderer on average, due to the kind of person it takes to be a rapist. Anyone can't be a rapist.

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    Re: Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    He should be able to find evidence that doesn't include said individual for his alibi.

    If he was at a restaurant then he should have a receipt - other witnesses - **** - a life that doesn't require that the individual who was once wronged to be expected to be their friend, now, and defend them in court.

    But I'm lost: how can there be not enough evidence to convict a rapist of a crime that was committed - but not enough evidence to not convict a man of a crime that wasn't committed? Someone see something totally ****ed up with that? . . . That sounds like a failed justice system, to me.

    With the way this is going it sounds like there wouldn't be enough evidence to convict him of a crime he didn't commit anyway.

    And what makes her the one doing wrong by doing nothing? What about this other individual - where is his wrong and right sphere and why isnt' that being questioned?

    That's a cop out....its like all the people in New York City that saw the woman getting raped in the street and not one of the called 911. They were the same as you...."well, someone else will do it".
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    Re: Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    He is not innocent, and even if he was you can not compare it to rape.

    It really saddens me that people like you exists.
    Oh please.....what is even more sad is that there are people such as yourself that will sit back and do nothing.
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    Re: Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I do know he raped my daughter,
    Other than your daughter's word, How would you know this?



    I just didn't have the evidence to convict him. It says so in the first post.
    So in other words you do not know since you have no evidence.

    I know that the moral right thing to do is to give the rapist an alibi, but if that happened to me in real life I would not give him an alibi. I would want to see him behind bars.
    Even at the expense of someone else being denied their justice and the possibility of more innocent people being killed?




    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Yeah, people who are honest and resist the urge for revenge and bloodlust are what is wrong with the world.

    I am all for revenge and bloodlust. I am however not for doing that at the expense of the possibility of more innocent people being killed by the real murderer and other people being denied their justice. That murderer's victims and that victim's loved ones have just as much as a right to justice as you do.
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