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    Is Michael Jackson Overrated?

    Michael Jackson can dance and sing. But so can many, MANY others. Was he just there at the right time and right place? Is he REALLY that good? King of Pop? or just a guy that was very talented but overrated?
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    Re: Is Michael Jackson Overrated?

    I kinda liked some of his songs, but this was back when he was a black man.

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    Re: Is Michael Jackson Overrated?

    List of best-selling albums worldwide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I don't understand how you can "overrate" the man responsible for the best-selling album in the world. Maybe if you put him over Elvis or the Beatles? Otherwise, I just don't see it.
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    Re: Is Michael Jackson Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    List of best-selling albums worldwide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I don't understand how you can "overrate" the man responsible for the best-selling album in the world. Maybe if you put him over Elvis or the Beatles? Otherwise, I just don't see it.
    How is this not some subset of argumentum ad populum?
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    Re: Is Michael Jackson Overrated?

    He was insanely talented, and it was more than just the singing and dancing. I thought he was guilty, but that didn't erase his talent. I was deeply saddened at his death.

    I remember, when Thriller was releasing hit after hit, I thought "He's burning too bright. He's going to burn out."

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    Re: Is Michael Jackson Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    How is this not some subset of argumentum ad populum?
    Because the argumentum ad populum can't apply to music. It states that "If many believe so, it is so." People try avoid that fallacy in something like, say, policy-making to avoid a tyranny of the majority -- in other words, just because many people prefer it, does not mean one should enforce it over the minority.

    But in music, there is no "correct." It's ALL dictated by preference, and the minority is welcome to ignore the taste of the majority regardless. So the spirit of the argumentum ad populum doesn't really apply here.
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    Re: Is Michael Jackson Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    Because the argumentum ad populum can't apply to music. It states that "If many believe so, it is so." People try avoid that fallacy in something like, say, policy-making to avoid a tyranny of the majority -- in other words, just because many people prefer it, does not mean one should enforce it over the minority.
    I s'pose that could be one interpretation of it.

    It usually means that when proof or evidence for a position is requested or expected, the number of people who believe it is brought up as the evidence that the position is true instead of actually demonstrating that the position is true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    But in music, there is no "correct." It's ALL dictated by preference, and the minority is welcome to ignore the taste of the majority regardless. So the spirit of the argumentum ad populum doesn't really apply here.
    So the only arbiter of what is and is not great music is how many people like it?
    Does that count the music that won't be appreciated until decades after the authors death, like the Brandenburg concertos?
    Or did those suck until enough people liked them?

    And is the three chord rock of Back in Black better music than Mozart because more people have bought Back in Black?

    I think that there is more to art than the appreciation of the layman.
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    Re: Is Michael Jackson Overrated?

    OK now that others have replied.... I feel that he IS overrated. Other people dance better and sing better. yes, he was good. But I never thought he was really that great. Heck if we go to the "what are we listening to" thread, NO ONE has ever brought up a MJ song. If someone can provide a link to a MJ song BEFORE today, I shall buy them a $10 item from Penzeys Spices.
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    Re: Is Michael Jackson Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    OK now that others have replied.... I feel that he IS overrated. Other people dance better and sing better. yes, he was good. But I never thought he was really that great. Heck if we go to the "what are we listening to" thread, NO ONE has ever brought up a MJ song. If someone can provide a link to a MJ song BEFORE today, I shall buy them a $10 item from Penzeys Spices.
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    Re: Is Michael Jackson Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    How is this not some subset of argumentum ad populum?

    Isn't the point of pop music to be popular?

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