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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    These are not self-contained systems, that exist within given boundaries. Capitalism - and communism - are systems that require the universalization of the system in order to be able to operate. It is why capitalism spread so quickly across the globe in the 18th and 19th centuries. It is also why the Soviet Union collapsed. The unversalization of the system is built into the very foundation of the system itself; without it, it cannot survive.

    I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand.


    How is this "Stalinism," exactly? Why is this attributed to Stalin? Why not any other of a couple dozen dictators?



    Totalitarianism cannot exist outside of Orwell's novel and Lucas' film. It's physically impossible. I was pointing out the absurdity of calling the North Korean state totalitarian when it doesn't even apparently have electricity.
    Maybe because you keep talking about a global system when I am discussing the ability of a nation to control a system within its borders to so great a degree that they exercise control. For example, within the US if you wish to engage in commerce you must do so under the laws and regulations in place, same with any other country. In a demand economy system you are told what to produce and how.

    Is it hard to understand?

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    NK is a communistic fascist regime.

    If Kim Jong Il gives the throne to his son, it will be history's first communistic fascist dynastic regime.


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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    No North Korea is not communist, its not socialist. Its far from that. Its a country who openly follows the ideas of "juche" which is failed. Juche kind almost even be called fascist....


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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Maybe because you keep talking about a global system when I am discussing the ability of a nation to control a system within its borders to so great a degree that they exercise control. For example, within the US if you wish to engage in commerce you must do so under the laws and regulations in place, same with any other country. In a demand economy system you are told what to produce and how.

    Is it hard to understand?
    The reason I'm talking about global systems, and this is my point, is because these systems by their very nature are global. Sure, you can speak of the legal framework in each country being different (which is what I was referring to when I specifically said and italicized the word "policy" in my last post) but these countries are all going to be capitalist. The fundamental relations of production and property are going to be the same.

    As for a "demand economy" [sic], that depends on what you mean by the term. A true command economy - i.e. a centrally planned economy - is going to necessitate the abolition of capitalist property relations.

    No North Korea is not communist, its not socialist. Its far from that. Its a country who openly follows the ideas of "juche" which is failed. Juche kind almost even be called fascist....
    The means of production are nationalized, therefore it cannot be fascist.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Whenever people like fonda and hillary and biden and such embrace them. it must be dictator like. Gore sends his people there and we are supposed to believe it was for spying on them. They probably took usa secrets to them.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post

    How is this "Stalinism," exactly? Why is this attributed to Stalin? Why not any other of a couple dozen dictators?
    He was the first to do what I described. Many economists built on the theories of John Maynard Keynes while following his basic theory. They're still Keynesian, because he was the first in that school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Totalitarianism cannot exist outside of Orwell's novel and Lucas' film. It's physically impossible. I was pointing out the absurdity of calling the North Korean state totalitarian when it doesn't even apparently have electricity.
    A totalitarian state need not control every single facet of its citizen's lives. Not even Big Brother could do this.

    Totalitarian | Define Totalitarian at Dictionary.com

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    of or pertaining to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.
    2.
    exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic.
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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    He was the first to do what I described. Many economists built on the theories of John Maynard Keynes while following his basic theory. They're still Keynesian, because he was the first in that school.
    Um, no he wasn't. There's centuries of history of rulers doing this...

    A totalitarian state need not control every single facet of its citizen's lives. Not even Big Brother could do this.

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    exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic.
    Going to dictionary.com is a really stupid thing to do. It's here equating totalitarianism with authoritarianism, for example, which is idiotic.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Um, no he wasn't. There's centuries of history of rulers doing this...
    None were able to do this to the degree to which Stalin did or dressed up this type of repression in the guise of Marxism. Again, we are getting into yet another stupid semantics debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Going to dictionary.com is a really stupid thing to do. It's here equating totalitarianism with authoritarianism, for example, which is idiotic.
    Webster's says the same thing. Again, you are taking this too literally. Even Big Brother could not control everything its people did in 1984. Was the regime depicted not totalitarian? Totalitarianism like liberal democracy does not have an absolutist definition. I can't shout fire in a crowded theater, but this doesn't disqualify the US from being a liberal democracy. North Korea has the most repressive government in the world and few regimes come close to its repressiveness in history. I really have very little interest in debating terms with you that most of the English-speaking world already agrees upon the meaning of. In the end the North Korean Communist Party will work to further and maintain its own power above all else, just like Stalin's Communist Party or the Nazis. The window dressing of ideology is largely irrelevent.
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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Um, no he wasn't. There's centuries of history of rulers doing this...



    Going to dictionary.com is a really stupid thing to do. It's here equating totalitarianism with authoritarianism, for example, which is idiotic.
    1. The definition provided said "authoritarian" not "authoritarianism" - I'd say to look up the definitions, but it seems you don't like dictionaries.

    2. The reason words have meanings is so we can all understand each other - if you don't have a mutual understanding of a term's definition the conversations go down hill real quick.
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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No North Korea is not communist, its not socialist. Its far from that. Its a country who openly follows the ideas of "juche" which is failed. Juche kind almost even be called fascist....
    Take a look at the definition of socialism. North Korea fits the definition of socialism. Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Just because it is a hell hole does not make it less socialist. It is not facist, because that requires a regulated market economy. Juche is not an independant economic system.

    If North Korea was successful, then you would have applauded them for being a successful socialist state. How do we know? Because socialists applauded China under Mao even though it was hardly successful and just as bad as North Korea.
    Last edited by Camlon; 06-29-11 at 10:19 PM.

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