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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    If you follow the strict definition, then they are socialist. They are not communist, because
    1. They have a state
    2. They don't have a classless society. They have the ruling class and the impoverished working class.

    However, they are the most socialist state in the world, hence also the state closest to communism.

    Some socialist/communists call them state capitalism, but that is just because they are embarrased they exist. North Korea is not a capitalistic society.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Um, the exact same reason that capitalism cannot exist in a single country.



    It has nothing to do with national sovereignty. Nations don't get to choose the socio-economic systems in which they exist, operate and develop.
    That really is not true. They can and do choose their internal socio-economic system, where their choices are limited is when they wish to interact commercially with other nations. Pretty much every nation chooses and designs their internal socio-economic system.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It has nothing to do with national sovereignty. Nations don't get to choose the socio-economic systems in which they exist, operate and develop.
    Perhaps you're right. In todays world may be not... but they should. Otherwise all talks about personal and national sovereignty and freedom are just crap.

    End the world.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    That really is not true. They can and do choose their internal socio-economic system
    No they do not. Governments can control economic policy internally, certainly, but they do not have control over the fundamental laws of motion of the system in which they operate.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Marx wasn't the only communist theorist. If anything NK is a bizarre mixture of Stalinism and monarchy. Usually when you get totalitarian regimes, they blend together ideologically as the state becomes more interested in maintaining control than furthering some cause. If any real-life country exemplifies George Orwell's Oceania, it's North Korea.
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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    If anything NK is a bizarre mixture of Stalinism and monarchy.
    What do you mean by "Stalinism"?

    Usually when you get totalitarian regimes
    How can they be totalitarian when they allegedly don't even have electricity outside of Pyongyang?
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No they do not. Governments can control economic policy internally, certainly, but they do not have control over the fundamental laws of motion of the system in which they operate.
    Really? Please define "Fundamental Laws of Motion of the system".

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What do you mean by "Stalinism"?
    Totalitarianism, personality cults, and repression dressed up in the guise of worker's liberation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    How can they be totalitarian when they allegedly don't even have electricity outside of Pyongyang?
    How are poverty and totalitarianism mutually exclusive? It's a lot more than telescreens and two-minute hates.
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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    I'm liking your post just because your screen name is Drunkenasparagus

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Really? Please define "Fundamental Laws of Motion of the system".
    These are not self-contained systems, that exist within given boundaries. Capitalism - and communism - are systems that require the universalization of the system in order to be able to operate. It is why capitalism spread so quickly across the globe in the 18th and 19th centuries. It is also why the Soviet Union collapsed. The unversalization of the system is built into the very foundation of the system itself; without it, it cannot survive.

    I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand.

    Totalitarianism, personality cults, and repression dressed up in the guise of worker's liberation.
    How is this "Stalinism," exactly? Why is this attributed to Stalin? Why not any other of a couple dozen dictators?

    How are poverty and totalitarianism mutually exclusive? It's a lot more than telescreens and two-minute hates.
    Totalitarianism cannot exist outside of Orwell's novel and Lucas' film. It's physically impossible. I was pointing out the absurdity of calling the North Korean state totalitarian when it doesn't even apparently have electricity.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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