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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Is North Korea communistic or not?
    Depends how you define Communist.

    Marx explicitly wrote that a Communist country would be ruled by the worker. And since the only people left after a Communist revolution would be workers, it would be direct democracy (scary **** eh?). Due to there only be workers, there would be a classless society. North Korea fails those two criteria right off the bat.

    Moreso, Marx wrote that a Communist nation does not trade with the West. North Korea at least matches this partially, but not by choice. For the same reason China and the Former USSR fail this test (and the earlier two, gang of 6 anyone, worker rule my ***?). And more importantly, Marx wrote against Capitalism and property rights. China and Russia have brought those back with some caveats, and North Korea has property rights for its elite class.

    If we stick with the actual definition of Communism, North Korea fails pretty hard in almost all categories. The problem with defining Communism based on the actions of those in the past 50 years is that it renders Communism to mean whatever self proclaimed Communists have done. Which include strong property rights, a ruling elite with little to no voice by the people, export oriented economies focusing on the West and frameworks to encourage capitalism. The idiotic idea of defining Communism not by what Marx wrote but by what "communists" have done is that it renders most countries in the world at some point in their history Communist. Is that intelligent? No. Does that produce any thing of value? No. So why do some people use it? Probably because they first don't know what Communism actually is and don't realize they just classified Switzerland as Communist.
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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    You'll notice that any east Asian nation that adopted communism has simply become a modern remake of the imperial dynasties. Emperors, in other words.
    Ideology may be the universal language, but we only speak the local dialect.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    NKorea is indeed a communistic state. There has been a move as of late to redefine corporatism as capitalism, socialism as communism, and communism as nothing. No state is "communist", it seems, because in the theory communism works, and all these states don't.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    NKorea is indeed a communistic state. There has been a move as of late to redefine corporatism as capitalism, socialism as communism, and communism as nothing. No state is "communist", it seems, because in the theory communism works, and all these states don't.
    Do you realize how much you just contradicted yourself?

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Pretty sure I didn't. State control of industry (which is really corporatism) is now "free market" because "socialism" can only mean state ownership of the means of production. To the extent that it does which it totally doesn't and those who think that it does are just right-wing-nutcases like Glenn Beck. Communism has never happened because Engle's version never came true.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    On the economic basis (and Marx most certainly focused on economics of society) NK uses a communist model. Those that say NK isn't communist because it fails to fit the ideal outlined by Marx are purist, much like my father was when it came to using Marx as the benchmark, however, reality often changes from the ideal.

    Kim has most definetly succeeded in making a hereditary succession of leadership, but then again Mao effectively did so as well - though not with blood relations. Stalin did much like Mao - created a cult of personality to continue their policies.

    So yes - it is a communist state. Just like a democratic state or socialist state, there are many variations, but at the core they share primary conditions. In this case - one party rule and state control of all economic policy and means of production.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?


    Marx explicitly wrote that a Communist country would be ruled by the worker.
    Communism, like capitalism, is a socio-economic system. It cannot exist in a single country.

    Moreso, Marx wrote that a Communist nation does not trade with the West.
    What are you going on about? Quote please?

    Marx wrote against Capitalism and property rights. China and Russia have brought those back with some caveats, and North Korea has property rights for its elite class.
    Marx wrote about private property in terms of the means of production, which I believe is still nationalized in North Korea.

    On the economic basis (and Marx most certainly focused on economics of society) NK uses a communist model.
    No, from what we know they are utilizing a form of the Soviet model.

    Stalin did much like Mao - created a cult of personality to continue their policies.
    Stalin and Mao didn't create these, the bureaucracy did.
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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Moreso, Marx wrote that a Communist nation does not trade with the West.
    Thats a new one to me too.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Communism, like capitalism, is a socio-economic system. It cannot exist in a single country.
    I always get pissed off when I read statements like this. Why cannot communism exist in a single country? If you believe in national sovereignty, self-management and free trade, it should. It should even exist on a communal level, it's "communism" after all.
    Saying what you are saying means there is no national sovereignty.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell
    I always get pissed off when I read statements like this. Why cannot communism exist in a single country?
    Um, the exact same reason that capitalism cannot exist in a single country.

    Saying what you are saying means there is no national sovereignty.
    It has nothing to do with national sovereignty. Nations don't get to choose the socio-economic systems in which they exist, operate and develop.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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