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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    TheDemSocialist thinks Venezuela is a great success story, so I want to share something else than just the GDP growth which have been miserable for Venezuela.

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    Venezuela has one of the highest inflation rates in Latin America, one of the lowest economic growth rates in the region, daily electricity blackouts, food shortages, and unprecedented crime rates. What’s even more amazing for one of the world’s biggest oil producers, Electric Energy Minister Ali Rodriguez announced June 15 that Venezuela has started importing electricity from Colombia to restore power to various parts of the country.

    It’s an amazing feat if you consider that oil prices have skyrocketed from $9 a barrel when Chávez took office in 1999 to $100 a barrel nowadays. While Venezuela has enjoyed two-year-long oil booms in 1974 and 1979, this has been by far the country’s longest and biggest oil bonanza.

    According to Venezuelan Central Bank figures, Venezuela’s oil income has reached $700 billion since Chávez took office. “Venezuela’s oil income over the past 12 years exceeds what it had received in the previous 25 years,” says Jose Guerra, head of the Economy Department of the state-run Central University of Venezuela.

    And yet, this is what Chávez has to show:

    • While Latin America’s economies grew by an average per capita of nearly 5 percent last year, Venezuela’s economy fell by 3.6 percent, after falling by another 5.3 percent the previous year, according to the United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America (ECLAC). The Venezuelan government is predicting a 2 percent growth this year, which — if it happens — would still be one of the region’s lowest growth rates.

    • While most Latin American countries have single-digit inflation rates, Venezuela’s inflation rate rose from 12 percent a decade ago to 27 percent last year, according to ECLAC. The official inflation rate nowadays is about 25 percent.

    • While most Latin American countries are benefitting from record foreign investments, Venezuela is suffering from capital flight. The country’s foreign debt has risen from $35 billion in 2001 to $58 billion in 2010, ECLAC figures show.

    • The power outages that are affecting most of the country, with the exception of the capital, are the first in recent memory. The government at first blamed them on a drought, but economists say the power outages are due to a near total lack of investment in electric facilities in recent years.

    • The latest food shortages include cooking oil, coffee, meat and sugar. Venezuela, once the world’s fifth-largest world coffee exporter, is now importing coffee from Nicaragua.

    • Venezuela’s education, science and technology levels are plummeting. The number of patents of new inventions registered in Venezuela — a key measure of innovation — has fallen from nearly 800 patents a year in 1988 to fewer than 100 patents a decade later, according to official figures.

    The Chávez’s government cites ECLAC figures showing it has reduced poverty from 45 percent of the population to 28 percent over the past 10 years. But, over the same period, Argentina has reduced its poverty rate from 45 percent to 11 percent of its population, Chile from 20 percent to 11 percent, Brazil from 38 percent to 25 percent, and Peru and Colombia by similar rates, ECLAC figures show. Most of these countries have reduced poverty while attracting investments and creating industries that will generate long-term growth.

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon
    TheDemSocialist thinks Venezuela is a great success story, so I want to share something else than just the GDP growth which have been miserable for Venezuela.
    I actually agree with you on this. The failure of Venezuela is similar to the failure of Chile under Allende in that they didn't go far enough to abolish capitalist property relations. This is what led to their failure.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That's the entire reason why I'm disagreeing with your usage of the term. Totalitarianism theory implicitly waters down historical analysis by overplaying the similarities between states. The reality of the situation is much different. One cannot compare NAZI Germany with the USSR under Stalin on the grounds of their "oppressiveness" because that oppression took on completely different forms, was realized in completely different ways, and had completely different outcomes. It's absurd to be so historically simplistic, and yes this is what totalitarianism theory was created to do.
    I never said that they were identical. No one did. However, the two states did many of the same things, imperialism, subjugation of certain minorities, personality cults, varying yet still considerable control over the economy, and vast control of the state over people's lives. The window dressing may have been different, but usually when a group is given that much control, ideology takes a back seat to furthering power. Of course there are considerable difference. The Nazis kept private property largely intact for most people. There was no collectivization, gulags, or Kulaks to oppress, but the aim of the two governments was the same, domination of their people. There are many different types of liberalism. The same logic applies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    My point was that you have absolutely no idea how much power the KWP has. The KWP could be completely subordinate to the military hierarchy, including Kim Jung Il. You just don't know.
    Then replace KWP with the military. The point was over the government's relationship with its people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Dictionaries don't teach political science.
    No, but they define words. You objected over the meaning of that word, and a dictionary defined it. You can complain about the origin of the term or what it implies all you want, but that is the term as defined by Webster's.
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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    It's funny that you don't even know how to change wikipedia articles, but you still think you can evaluate if Wikipedia can be trusted or not.
    So because i dont know how to change a Wikpeida article means that Wikipedia is a good source of academic research?


    If you tried, you would first get it changed back in a half hour. If you tried again, you would be banned from Wikipedia.
    How do you figure?

    Vandalism is not a major issue at Wikipedia and will not affect the definition of socialism.
    Vandalism?
    Where were you trying to go with this first bit of your response?


    So you are discrediting Oxford dictionary.
    No not at all.

    Tell me, why should I use your definition and not Oxford's definition.
    Well they are piratically the same just worded different.

    You haven't even visited China, Cuba or Venezuela. You still think that you have a lot of knowledge about the conditions in those countries.
    Right... And you have...
    Tell me why i should trust you again?
    This is called the internet. I can get up and said i was once an astronaut and visited North Korea....
    You can be anybody on the internet, you do realize this right?



    Hint "interest of all".
    That has nothing to do with success..
    How does the 3 words "interest of all" have to do with anything of success? It simply means resources are allocated for the people at the will of the people.

    If a system should acknowledge interest of all, then it has to be successful.
    Uhh not really. Things go wrong...

    You could even argue that the American system is not in the interest of all.
    Its not at all..



    But it's kind of ridiculous when you think North Korea is not socialist, but Cuba with a private sector that takes 1/3 of the economy is.
    Never said that Cuba was socialist.. I simply said they have socialistic matters..



    It is, you just lack knowledge about the topic, because the only thing you know about Venezuela is what other socialists have told you.
    Public sector US: 38.9% of GDP
    Public sector Venezuela: 34% of GDP
    Im going to ask for a source for this..
    You do know what GDP is right?



    If they are really turning socialist, then it should be visible in their economic freedom, because socialist policies reduce your economic freedom.
    Not true...

    It is not visible, and they are really far away from socialism.
    One could argue that they are moving very close to socialism...

    You have never been to South America. I have, and I have talked to people. Apart from Venezuela. They don't believe in socialism. Some people want better security, but they don't support socialism.
    Awful lot of socialists and ultra progressive presidents and gov officials are being elected to government...
    (Oh yea i forgot you "been to South America")


    It is estimated to grow with 4%, but we have to include population growth it will drop to 2%. Here is a list of projected growth rates of some countries in South America.
    See the thing is with under at 1.5% growth rate it will hardly affect the growth...

    Argentina: 6.5%
    Chile: 6%
    Peru: 5%
    Uruguay: 4.5%
    Colombia: 4%
    Brazil: 3.5%
    Ecuador: 3.5%
    Venezuela: 2%

    Is that impressive?
    See here the thing is where i ask you for a source...

    Yes it is. I calculated the numbers, but I can tell you how to calculate them. Use indexmundi to find GDP at current value. Venezuela GDP - per capita (PPP) - Economy Then use a inflation calculator to find USD inflation from the year you are interested in, and then you have GDP per capita growth.
    Ok




    But unlike me, you have never been to the countries.
    Yes of course you have been to all these countries..
    You have only read some books and heard some propaganda.
    Right so much propaganda… All this propaganda.. So much. Its like Stalinist propaganda.
    You don't even know how Venezuela is doing compared to the rest of South America, but you still think Venezuela is doing awesome, because you read it in a report somewhere.
    Never said it was doing “awesome”… Stated its doing pretty well from what it used to be doing…

    There is a reason I don't trust your homemade definitions and use official definitions instead.
    Yep sense you can define a political ideology with a dictionary definition..
    By the way its not homemade either.. Keep telling youself that you world traveler you…


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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Lets just poop out mindless factoids without context shall we?

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Lets just poop out mindless factoids without context shall we?
    Isn't that the norm?

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    Re: Is North Korea a communistic State?

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    Isn't that the norm?
    Unfortunately common, at least.

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