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    Re: What is your opinion of Barack Obama now?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Except he drew down troops in Iraq, intensified action in Afghanistan, got rid of DADT, passed some version of universal healthcare and entered Libya WITH NATO not making this a US endeavor, all things Bush didn't do and wouldn't have done.
    I never claimed Obama and Bush were 100% the same, just 99%.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: What is your opinion of Barack Obama now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I never claimed Obama and Bush were 100% the same, just 99%.
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    Re: What is your opinion of Barack Obama now?

    And , this time, I will support him.
    The last thing our nation needs is a right-wing extremest isolationist trying to push our country into the 16th century.....
    Obama is, IMO, a moderate.

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    Re: What is your opinion of Barack Obama now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I never claimed Obama and Bush were 100% the same, just 99%.
    Both are moderates, more or less.
    Maybe 90% is closer

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    Re: What is your opinion of Barack Obama now?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Both are moderates, more or less.
    Maybe 90% is closer
    Really? I seem to remember G.W. Bush painted as a neo-con during his tenure in the White House. Is the opinion now, after 2 1/2 years out of office that G.W. was a moderate?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: What is your opinion of Barack Obama now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Really? I seem to remember G.W. Bush painted as a neo-con during his tenure in the White House. Is the opinion now, after 2 1/2 years out of office that G.W. was a moderate?
    neocon =/= extremist, just imho.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: What is your opinion of Barack Obama now?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    neocon =/= extremist, just imho.
    Agreed... but neocon = / = moderate either.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: What is your opinion of Barack Obama now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I never claimed Obama and Bush were 100% the same, just 99%.
    I pretty much described 80% of Obama's main actions in office and they are different from Bush, they're not 99% the same.

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    Re: What is your opinion of Barack Obama now?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I pretty much described 80% of Obama's main actions in office and they are different from Bush, they're not 99% the same.
    Yes, I'm sure you do.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: What is your opinion of Barack Obama now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you must have liked G.W. Bush then too, as Obama has primarily done the same thing as G.W. Bush (2006-2008) as Obama is doing from 2008-2011.
    What? Don't you realize this comment...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What is more interesting is that the "conseratives" tout how bad Obama is but then fail to recognize or refute arguments showing how Obama is basically Bush. Ikari is dead on the money. It's hilarious to watch Bush Backers suddenly reject the same policies of their own former President.
    ...only works one way Ock! Conservatives who tout Obama is bad but don't speak poorly of bush are obviously hypocrites, but those who bash/bashed Bush but tout that Obama is good are completely legitimate.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Except he drew down troops in Iraq, intensified action in Afghanistan, got rid of DADT, passed some version of universal healthcare and entered Libya WITH NATO not making this a US endeavor, all things Bush didn't do and wouldn't have done.
    1. He drew down troops in Iraq in accordance with the generalized time table, plan, and policy put into place by George W. Bush

    2. He intensified action in Afghanistan modeled after the Surge strategy presented by George W. Bush, and regardless increased/maintained the large number of U.S. forces abroad and continuing the engagements in the middle east similar to Bush

    3. Yes, he did end DADT

    4. With NATO or not, Barack Obama has continued the policy of using the U.S. military as the worlds police, interjecting itself into further middle east region conflicts with U.S. soldiers. Regardless of whether or not US is in the lead, he's still pushing for our men and women to be over there.

    5. Yes, he did do health care reform and further worked to expand government, similar to when Bush did medicare reform and his continued actions of expanding the government.

    They may at times have taken similar roads but many of their destinations have been the same.

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