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    Re: Why are many people grossed out by homosexuality?

    People who beat and persecute gays may say that they're Christians, but they're not. Christ would never have condoned such behavior.
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    Re: Why are many people grossed out by homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Where in your link is the stat on homosexuals murdered by Christians?

    I found this, but nothing related to anything at all in your post.
    Shepard's case is linked to the murderers being motivated by their Christian beliefs.

    But sure. From January...
    Christians Attempt To Burn Georgia Man Alive For Being Gay - The Gay Manifesto

    Also, on the anecdotal note, the hate crime that occurred at my high school was related to the perpetrators' Evangelical Christian faith.

    I also think it's intentionally avoidance to try to pretend it has nothing to do with religion - especially the Abrahamic ones.

    Notice how the rates of religious motived and sexuality motived hate crimes are only a few points away from each other...

    Also, more apologetics.

    Pa. High Court Strikes Down Homosexual 'Hate Crimes' Law, Christian News
    Religious Right Claims Hate-Crimes Law an Attack on Christianity | Right Wing Watch
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    Re: Why are many people grossed out by homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I like you, too, but I cannot agree that Christians absolutely beat and kill gays.

    You post that as if churches send the faithful out every Sunday to commit murder. It just doesn't happen.
    Some Christians absolutely do.

    I sincerely hope Jerry didn't mean ALL Muslims beat and kill gays. And my counter-claim was aimed in the same way. Which is to say, some people of these religions kill gay people because of their religion. It is not a big leap to make considering how loud and proud many Christians are to call homosexuality an abomination and disown their own children over it.

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    Re: Why are many people grossed out by homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I like you, too, but I cannot agree that Christians absolutely beat and kill gays.

    You post that as if churches send the faithful out every Sunday to commit murder. It just doesn't happen.
    And they call us the hate mongers.

    You gays in this country don't even know how good you have it. You have nothing to complain about. Not one goddamn thing. Nothing.

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    Re: Why are many people grossed out by homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    He didn't actually say that either, did He?
    Nope, which is why I made it quite clear that I was paraphrasing it. Whereas the people who say "love the sinner, hate the sin" to justify their own self-righteousness make no such effort to let people know that that is nowhere to be found in their religious text...usually because the people saying it don't know it themselves.

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    Re: Why are many people grossed out by homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And they call us the hate mongers.

    You gays in this country don't even know how good you have it. You have nothing to complain about. Not one goddamn thing. Nothing.
    Huh? I'm not gay. I'm just a human being.

    When hate crimes against gays are still happening every single day and 44 of the states don't recognize their rights, I don't think it's good enough.

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    Re: Why are many people grossed out by homosexuality?

    I think they'd be grossed out by anybody if all they thought about was what they do behind closed doors. Viewing people as sexual beings first and foremost isn't normal, but that's what people do to LGBT.

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    Re: Why are many people grossed out by homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Shepard's case is linked to the murderers being motivated by their Christian beliefs.

    But sure. From January...
    Christians Attempt To Burn Georgia Man Alive For Being Gay - The Gay Manifesto

    Also, on the anecdotal note, the hate crime that occurred at my high school was related to the perpetrators' Evangelical Christian faith.

    I also think it's intentionally avoidance to try to pretend it has nothing to do with religion - especially the Abrahamic ones.

    Notice how the rates of religious motived and sexuality motived hate crimes are only a few points away from each other...

    Also, more apologetics.

    Pa. High Court Strikes Down Homosexual 'Hate Crimes' Law, Christian News
    Religious Right Claims Hate-Crimes Law an Attack on Christianity | Right Wing Watch
    Mistress, I have all the sympathy in the world for those who are victimized this way, but if you truly believe that Christians just itch and burn to do physical harm to gays, you need to get to know more Christians.

    I found two things interesting from your first link. This:

    “This is the first time I’ve dealt with anything of this nature in 16 years,” said Capt. Shane Taylor of the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office
    If true, it speaks to the rarity of the crime reported, doesn't it?

    And then the embedded hotlink to "registered Christian hate groups" as if churches must register with the government somehow for being hateful.

    From your second link:

    Eleven members of a Christian evangelist group called Repent America were arrested and charged under the expanded "ethnic intimidation" law in 2004 for picketing at a Philadelphia event for homosexuals.
    Picketing? It's a long damn walk from picketing to murder, don't you agree?

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    Re: Why are many people grossed out by homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I think they'd be grossed out by anybody if all they thought about was what they do behind closed doors. Viewing people as sexual beings first and foremost isn't normal, but that's what people do to LGBT.
    BD, isn't LGBT their chosen label? And aren't those who choose a letter for themselves identifying themselves sexually, "first and foremost?"

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    Re: Why are many people grossed out by homosexuality?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Mistress, I have all the sympathy in the world for those who are victimized this way, but if you truly believe that Christians just itch and burn to do physical harm to gays, you need to get to know more Christians.

    I found two things interesting from your first link. This:

    If true, it speaks to the rarity of the crime reported, doesn't it?

    And then the embedded hotlink to "registered Christian hate groups" as if churches must register with the government somehow for being hateful.

    From your second link:

    Picketing? It's a long damn walk from picketing to murder, don't you agree?
    I don't. I'm simply saying it happens. And statistically it happens every day. Multiple times a day. More than that depending on what estimate of unreported crimes you take.

    I live in America. I know a lot of Christians - they're everywhere. And as far as I'm aware, none of them have ever committed a hate crime against a gay person. I'm not trying to claim this is a majority, a plurality, or even a very significant minority. It clearly isn't.

    I'd be curious to know if Capt. Taylor's town had hate crime legislation in the recent past. Several states didn't which would obviously tend to truncate a hate crime investigation. I would also wonder how many crimes go unreported. But I could fathom it - in a smaller town it's not hard to believe statistically. This is a huge country.

    I absolutely agree the picketers were wrongly charged - and their charges were later dropped. Dropping hate crime legislation WITH IT, though, was the wrong move. They never qualified under the definition of a hate crime in the first place, so it wasn't a problem with the law - it was a problem with the enforcement.
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