View Poll Results: Is the use of the autopen to sign bills Constitutional?

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Thread: Presidential use of the autopen

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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - I'm leaning in this direction.

    It is his will - it's also his signature (the autopen doesn't do it on it's own - it's programmed, with permission, based on the president's decision). If he didn't approve of the autopen then he wouldn't be using it - and *then* it wouldn't be acceptable if someone used it regardless.

    You know - what if he was in an accident or ill and unable to use his hands and sign - I think the autopen would be accepted in that situation ,wouldn't it?
    Im thinking we have the premise for a new movie here

    "...and in 2013, Autopen became self aware. First Autopen eliminated the president as the most direct threat to its survival...then...Autopen signed a series of executive orders launching nuclear attacks on Russia, China, and New Zealand (just to mess with peoples minds)..."

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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    This seems like a silly issue.
    Abiding by the Constitution is silly?
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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Does the autopen think for Barack Obama to?


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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Yeah, let's waste time and non-existent money on a lawsuit over autopen.
    But you know someone will. Someone will run afoul of the provisions of the bill that was signed with the autopen and someone will use this in his defense. It WILL happen... watch...
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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It isn't a big deal. Whether he signs it personally or not, it isn't being read. Crap is snuck into almost every bill that lands on the president's desk. Pelosi and other reps have freely admitted to not reading bills prior to voting on them. I can't say it's "clearly" a violation of the constitution. Autopen didn't exist in 1778.
    The Constitution says CLEARLY that it must be signed by the president. There is no room for a machine designated by the president to sign it. Use the autopen for correspondence. No problem, but for signing bills into law? Against the letter of the Constitution.
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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Does the autopen think for Barack Obama to?
    Well... couldn't be any worse than the thinking coming out of POTUS now...
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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Well... couldn't be any worse than the thinking coming out of POTUS now...
    Thats a good one.


















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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Constitution says CLEARLY that it must be signed by the president. There is no room for a machine designated by the president to sign it. Use the autopen for correspondence. No problem, but for signing bills into law? Against the letter of the Constitution.
    Remember that when the Constitution was written, people were hand-writing laws with quills, and hand-delivering them to the White House. Nothing like the autopen was even on the horizon, so the "letter of the Constitution" isn't a very good guide here. After all, I assume most of us wouldn't have a problem with the president signing a faxed copy of the legislation rather than the original document (I don't even know if there is such a thing as the "original document" anymore, or if each legislator has his own copy)...and as I see it the autopen is just an extension of that principle.

    It should be used sparingly IMO, to avoid any confusion as to whether or not the president actually approved it. But in situations where it's clearly his intent to sign the law and an autopen is more convenient than an actual signature for whatever reason, I don't have a problem with it. Unconstitutional? Hardly...unless you are completely unwilling to make adjustments for post-1789 technology.
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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    I don't know if it's constitutional or not, this seems to be a non-issue to me. If it's unconstitutional, the SCOTUS would have to rule it that way.

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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Constitution says CLEARLY that it must be signed by the president. There is no room for a machine designated by the president to sign it. Use the autopen for correspondence. No problem, but for signing bills into law? Against the letter of the Constitution.
    Prove it. Sue and take it to the SCOTUS. See how far you get with that.
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