View Poll Results: Is the use of the autopen to sign bills Constitutional?

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  • No, and it bothers me that Obama used it

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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    I don't belive it is close to the same as a real signature and could make everything that contains one scrap paper, and it should.

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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    you know what is embarassing... I wrote the question, and I answered it incorrectly...
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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    I don't discern a moral difference between doing a thing and ordering someone to do it. If he gives the order, the signature is still binding.

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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I don't discern a moral difference between doing a thing and ordering someone to do it. If he gives the order, the signature is still binding.
    Wow, you could sign it then, couldn't you? M U S T P R O T E C T O B A M A A T A L L C O S T.
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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Wow, you could sign it then, couldn't you? M U S T P R O T E C T O B A M A A T A L L C O S T.
    If so ordered? Yes.

    And accusing me of protecting President Obama at all costs is just ridiculous. I didn't vote for him in 2008 and I'm not going to vote for him in 2012. But until January 20th, 2013, he's my President.

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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    I have no issue with this in isolated instances where action is required immedietely and the President can fully review the matter but is not present to sign, but has given explicite authorization of its use.

    However, I think 99% of the time outside of that, for something like this, it should be his individual signature.

    I work with an auto-pen daily for a high level executive in the government, and use it rather frequently. Typically we use it for correspondence. When it comes to actual policy changes, the Director signs these things himself. The same should be with the President. Except in extenuating circumstances, it should be the original signature.

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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    If so ordered? Yes.

    And accusing me of protecting President Obama at all costs is just ridiculous. I didn't vote for him in 2008 and I'm not going to vote for him in 2012. But until January 20th, 2013, he's my President.
    So, it doesn't matter if he does anything illegal or unconstitutional, he is still your president and what he says, goes?
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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, it doesn't matter if he does anything illegal or unconstitutional, he is still your president and what he says, goes?
    I think more he's saying that he's the President, and just because he may not be the President he voted for doesn't mean he's going to get up in arms over something he doesn't actually have a problem with.

    IE, American was suggesting that Kori felt he must "PROTECT OBAMA AT ALL COSTS". That's not the case at all. He feels the use of the auto-pen isn't an issue. Not because he needs to "Protect Obama", but because he doesn't feel its an issue. The fact that he didn't vote for Obama doesn't mean he's going to ACT like its an issue to him when it really isn't, because rather he voted for him or not he's the President and he's going to treat him fairly with regards to Kori's views.

    Similarly, I imagine if Kori HAD voted for Obama and he DID have a problem with the auto-pen, he'd state his problem as well despite his vote because again...its not about whether or not he's voted for him or if he needs to protect/attack him. Its about Kori's individual stance.

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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    This seems like a silly issue.
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    Re: Presidential use of the autopen

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, it doesn't matter if he does anything illegal or unconstitutional, he is still your president and what he says, goes?
    yep - even to you over there being all conservative and stuff. He is the president and what he says go . . . you don't hav eto support or agree with him - it's not a personal issue, here, it's a national issue.

    We side and determine with our vote and involvement - but until he's out he's your president, too. . . he's *our* president.
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