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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Hummm, not exactly the same but this raises some interesting issues.

    Group Loses Tax Break Over Gay Union Issue - New York Times
    Im going to apologize in advance because im feeling lazy and only skimmed it so feel free to call me an ass if I get it wrong

    For me this is a non issue and RIGHT because I am on record as saying that any religion that gets involved in a PUBLIC service or business it is NOT allowed to discriminate because those things have nothing to do with RELIGION.

    now again I didnt read the article so I may have it wrong but for example St. Micheal's Hospital has no right to not allow me spouse visitation rights because I only have a legal marriage and not a religious one. Or not treat me in the ER if Im gay

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    If a church opens up a foster placement agency which has to run by rules of the fed/state gov it has to play by ALL the rules since foster placement is not a religious matter.

    if they want to be involved in these NON religious matter they must play by the rules or give up their privileges

    now personally, if Im guessing right, they should have been able to keep their status IMO but had to be open to ALL public, forfeit their public option/profits from their property or give up that business.



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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    I agree thats why I told you I have no judgement of you or what a pro choice extremist would be unless you gave me examples.

    I agree its a very subjective term but in general I look for a mixture of logical, civil, rational vs right liberties and freedoms vs majority/miniority vs objectivity.

    again alot of that is subjective too but it is what it is, extremist IMO will always be nuts IMO but id be willling to discuss why or why not with anybody. :shurg:
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    A different discussion for a different thread.
    sounds like a plan
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Hummm, not exactly the same but this raises some interesting issues.

    Group Loses Tax Break Over Gay Union Issue - New York Times

    See what I mean? All they would have to do is threaten to pull the church's tax exempt status.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, as I've pointed out before, I wouldn't have expected to see a push to ban circumcision succeed (not that it has yet) or a Supreme Court Justice say that burning the Koran may not be protected free speech either.
    Are you aware that circumcision is a medical procedure? Parents cannot rely on faith healing over actual treatments for a child with cancer either. That is because...it is different than SSM, which is not, guess what...a medical procedure.
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    See what I mean? All they would have to do is threaten to pull the church's tax exempt status.

    Wow, here is a telling quote from that article:

    “When people hear the words ‘open space,’ we want them to think not just of open air and land, but that it is open to all people,” said Ms. Jackson. “And when the public subsidizes it with tax breaks, it goes with the expectation that it is not going to be parsed out, whether it be by activity or any particular beliefs.”
    So all the sudden if you get 501c3 tax breaks, you're "publically subsidized" and have to abide by Fed rules on discrimination? Uh-oh....

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And that's the concern, I think.
    Unrealistic concern. No one can force this. Allowing is not equal to forcing.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Only time will tell. Would you have ever expected to hear a Supreme Court Justice suggest that the first amendment may not protect speech based on someone's reaction half a world away?
    Supreme Court justices have said many stupid things.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not an issue as long as we have a first amendment.
    Bingo!!!!!
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And the SCOTUS will eventually claim that law unconstitutional. And besides even if they don't, DOMA will be ruled unconstitutional, and people can travel to New York, get a marriage license, and your state will have to recognize it. Besides when my generation starts to vote more, any SSM law will be passed. It's inevitable, and you can't do anything about it.
    Just for discussion....States will not have to recognize a license of any sort from another state. They don't have to now. The USSC will indeed be forced to rule on SSM at some point though which will only then decide the issue.

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