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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This whole line of questioning, is just a scare tactic to try and delay the inevitable legalization of SSM throughout the 50 states. It's quite sad really.
    It won't get anywhere in Missouri. The voters have already overwhlmingly voted to keep it banned here.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    It won't get anywhere in Missouri. The voters have already overwhlmingly voted to keep it banned here.
    All that means is that Missouri will be a straggler. It will pass everywhere eventually. Human rights movements have a way of doing that.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    All that means is that Missouri will be a straggler. It will pass everywhere eventually. Human rights movements have a way of doing that.

    It got clobbered here. We're talking over 80% voted against it.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    It won't get anywhere in Missouri. The voters have already overwhlmingly voted to keep it banned here.
    And the SCOTUS will eventually claim that law unconstitutional. And besides even if they don't, DOMA will be ruled unconstitutional, and people can travel to New York, get a marriage license, and your state will have to recognize it. Besides when my generation starts to vote more, any SSM law will be passed. It's inevitable, and you can't do anything about it.
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    It got clobbered here. We're talking over 80% voted against it.
    ...And I'm sure the numbers would have been similarly strong against it in New York circa 1950. But guess what.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    you may have been very clear 1000 times in threads but that doesnt mean "I" know them or put you in my mental Rolodex as anti-abortion, lol ? :shurg:

    I dont have one, only guy I ever remember is that poster who was a troll and got banned and his name was some play on words, cant remember it now but if I saw it I would.

    also it would depend on HOW you want them to be hard to obtain, thats what I would base :my" decision on. Because the fact remains that currently that is impeding and trying to back door peoples rights/freedoms but you may have very reasonable ideas, again I dont know them.

    I know I defended you and a thread im not allowed to talk about upstairs lol
    Yes, it was appreciated and still is. I was also happy to do the same for you.


    I dont think anything about you on the subject yet, dont know enough info like I said above.



    again you would unknowingly be wrong because I always blast extremist, and on this board ive never met a pro-choice extremist, what would that be? how would you define that?

    a person who would allow free abortion 24/7 on every corner, at any time, for any reason, even after viability and after its immediately born?

    then yes they would DEFINITELY be a nutcase.

    give me an examples if you have some in mind and Ill answer honestly
    Centrist, there's enough abortion threads here without turning this into one. The trouble I have with accusing people of "extremism" is it's all a matter of perspective, isn't it? You're example of what would be required for you to see someone as being a pro-choice extremist show that you, yourself have a sliding scale (advocating abortion after birth? Who's going to say that?) and a much lower threshold for seeing someone as an anti-abortion extremist (where, apparently, only trying to limit abortion through the use of the legal process is enough). I'm not criticizing you for it, we all do it. My main difference of opinion with you, here, is that I don't believe I can criticize someone I disagree with as being an extremist without acknowledging that my own views could also be seen as extreme.
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    When I attended church regularly, the pastor, a man I greatly respect, refused to perform the marriage ceremony of the daughter of one of my wife's friends, who was (and remains) a member of that church. I've forgotten the reason but it was, as I recall, biblically sound. The pastor said he would perform the ceremony after some conditions had been met, which meant delaying the marriage a considerable time.

    Sorry to be so vague, but if anyone is curious I'll ask my wife for the details. The point is, the pastor was within his rights, and the couple were married soon after at another church.
    Last edited by LuckyDan; 06-26-11 at 08:40 PM.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yes, it was appreciated and still is. I was also happy to do the same for you.




    Centrist, there's enough abortion threads here without turning this into one. The trouble I have with accusing people of "extremism" is it's all a matter of perspective, isn't it? You're example of what would be required for you to see someone as being a pro-choice extremist show that you, yourself have a sliding scale (advocating abortion after birth? Who's going to say that?) and a much lower threshold for seeing someone as an anti-abortion extremist (where, apparently, only trying to limit abortion through the use of the legal process is enough). I'm not criticizing you for it, we all do it. My main difference of opinion with you, here, is that I don't believe I can criticize someone I disagree with as being an extremist without acknowledging that my own views could also be seen as extreme.
    I agree thats why I told you I have no judgement of you or what a pro choice extremist would be unless you gave me examples.

    I agree its a very subjective term but in general I look for a mixture of logical, civil, rational vs right liberties and freedoms vs majority/miniority vs objectivity.

    again alot of that is subjective too but it is what it is, extremist IMO will always be nuts IMO but id be willling to discuss why or why not with anybody. :shurg:
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    as there ever been a case against a church for not marring any couple?
    Hummm, not exactly the same but this raises some interesting issues.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not really a concern since it is unlikely, and would require a complete overhaul of the first amendment which is unlikely. Anything is possible, but things like this have a very remote chance of happening.
    Well, as I've pointed out before, I wouldn't have expected to see a push to ban circumcision succeed (not that it has yet) or a Supreme Court Justice say that burning the Koran may not be protected free speech either.
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