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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    With Gay marriage now being made legal in 6 states, what should be the reaction to a minister refusing to perform the ceremony?
    Gay marriage should be legal but a church should not be forced to preform a ceremony.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    I posted this to see what reaction it would have. So far I'm getting some interesting answers.
    really? seems we universally agree that no one has a right to be married in a church.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, they will simply lose their licenses if they do not.
    No, they won't. They get to choose who they marry among hetrosexuals now, with no fear of losing a license. it is silly to think that would change. Churches will not be forced to marry anyone.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and the inevitable is that churches will face the choice between either marrying homosexuals, or losing their license. It's not a scare tactic - it's simply the direction of travel.
    No they won't. There is no reason to think they will. So it is nothing more than scare tactic, period.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really? seems we universally agree that no one has a right to be married in a church.
    Thats what I was thinking to. Whats interesting? 100 agree the churches shouldnt and cant be forced and then theres about 2 maybe 3 people that are pushing unrealistic scare tactics lol
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Ministers refuse to perform marriage ceremonies for all sorts of reasons all the time. Most ministers who marry a couple have them go through kind of a "pre marriage" counseling session with him or her a lot of the time... some ministers have done that and chosen not to marry someone based on the fact that they think they are going into marriage for the wrong reasons, or whatever the case may be. Its a ministers right to chose who he marries and doesnt. Folks can always go to the courthouse to get married.... be they heterosexual or homosexual.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    I don't feel like reading 150+ posts.

    So, my response to the OP.

    To my knowledge, there is no secular law preventing a religious leader from refusing to perform any kind of ceremony.

    Even if it's because the people involved are of one race or another, it's still legal for said leader to refuse.

    I can't see how it could be otherwise, what with the rules set down in the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights (bolded emphasis mine):
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Thus, barring a constitutional change that could only occur if there were a position change of epic proportions among the people of America, I cannot see any feasible way for this to even be considered anything but an extremely remote possibility.

    And in response to some of what I did read (notably X Factor’s post), the reason no one espoused any sentiment as to required religious ceremonies being a negative is because, at least from my perspective, such a position was assumed to be the case for all parties involved.

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    Edit: I like the poll results - 60 out of 60 people voted "Should be allowed to refuse."
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I am completely opposed to the spread of religion. You have asked how I think it should be stopped. You think I meant that legal measures should be put in place to prevent the spread of religion. I don't. Nothing should be done. Nothing legislatively, that is. For the sake of freedom, I am resigned to the continued existence of religion. That was the point of me mentioning my opposition to religion, and I thought that would be clear from the context. I think Ludahai, the devout conservative Catholic, understood it. He 'liked' my post, in any event. Thanks Ludahai!

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Just remember, I don't always 'like' posts because I agree with them. Sometimes, it is because someone clarifies a position I was unclear about, or I was amused by the post, or it was a post that made me think about something in a different way.. . I hope people on here don't equate 'like' with 'agree'. I certainly don't.
    Some do, I'm sure.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and the inevitable is that churches will face the choice between either marrying homosexuals, or losing their license. It's not a scare tactic - it's simply the direction of travel.
    It is inevitable that churches will face the choice between either marrying homosexuals, or losing their credibility. But that's because public opinion is inexorably moving towards equal rights for gays. Any church can drag its heels, but there will be social fallout. There won't be legal fallout, because they are constitutionally protected. Seriously, why is this thread even 16 pages long? No religious institution is ever forced to perform a ceremony they don't want to.
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