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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Were there religious exemptions on inter-racial marriage? That's where the favorite analogy of SSMers breaks apart.
    Sure. Hell, there was a justice of the peace a couple years ago who refused to do it. He's a public servant, so it's a bit different, but yeah, it's still going on. And it was common back in the day.

    This is a complete non-issue. 39 to 0. No one is trying to force a pride parade into the doors of anyone's church. Not even the mostly flamingly liberal of liberals or the gayest of gays seems to care if some stodgy minister doesn't want to marry them. The same stodgy ministers refuse to marry people for all kinds of other reasons too, and there are plenty of other places and people who will be willing to marry them.

    This is manufactured fear that this will somehow lead to the gay apocolypse where everyone is forced to salute the flag with "Born This Way" by Lady Gaga and engage in a ceremonial gay one-nighter on their 13th birthday. No one is trying to take anyone's rights. They just want to have the same rights. That includes the right to be refused by a stodgy minister, like straight people routinely are for whatever reason as well. At least they then know not to give that church any of their money.
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    This liberal is going on record saying that the religious freedom for clergy to refuse to perform a same sex marriage, or any other marriage, is far more important than the small infringement on equality such an action by a clergy member would represent. I am unequivocal in my opposition to forcing clergy to marry couples they do not want to marry. I would vigorously oppose any movement to force them to.

    I am an atheist opposed to the spread of religion, and who fully and vigorously supports same sex marriage.
    You oppose the spread of religion? By what means should the spreading of religion be stemmed? I believed your claim until I read that. You sure your "vigorous opposition" is not just a case of political expediency?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    The notion that clergy will be forced to marry same sex couples is a red herring that the far right leadership is using in order to frighten it's ignorant followers. It is demagoguery with zero substance used to manipulate. Period.
    Hummm, why would something so devoid of substance illicit such a pissy, ideologue response from you? Seems even raising the question about people's opinons pisses you off. What is the mindless far left so worried about?
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    A church can deny to marry an inter-racial couple, the only reason there is this law with regards to SSM is because of political pandering.
    On bibical grounds? Hell - on LEGAL grounds? I don't think so.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    On bibical grounds? Hell - on LEGAL grounds? I don't think so.
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    ^^^ Incidentally, to my left wing friends, I was just responding in kind to the post I was replying to by calling the far left "mindless". I didn't really mean it, it's just, sometimes the high road gives me a nosebleed.
    The better cons on this board must stop kissing left wing ass, X. That's why they keep coming at us so unpreparedly - they just know we're gonna be nice about it. They think we're panzies. And some of us are.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yes they can.
    Well I think that's a load. My pastor wouldn't.

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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    On bibical grounds? Hell - on LEGAL grounds? I don't think so.
    A Priest does not have to marry two people that don't fit the gounds set by the church. Now, the Catholic Church has LONG married inter-racial couples (the Church is far more integrated racially and has been for far longer than nearly all Protestant sects.) Fact is, religious institutions are not FORCED to marry anyone they don't want to. The Church was not required to marry my wife and I. We had to meet the requirements set out by the Archdiocese of Atlanta, and could not get a Church wedding before those requirements were met. The Church will still continue to deny same sex marriages as they do not qualify for a Catholic wedding - and never will.
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    The better cons on this board must stop kissing left wing ass, X. That's why they keep coming at us so unpreparedly - they just know we're gonna be nice about it. They think we're panzies. And some of us are.
    What the heck are you talking about? Not all Conservatives are going to fall for red herrings like this one. You know, there are knee jerk types on both sides, but there are also people who THINK on both sides. Those who can think also realize that religious groups are not going to be forced to grant marriages to gay couples. They can always get a civil marriage in locales where it is legal.
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Well I think that's a load. My pastor wouldn't.
    I'm not saying it's Biblically sound in my opinion, I'm saying it's legal.
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    Re: What if a Minister refuses to perform a gay wedding ceremony?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    A Priest does not have to marry two people that don't fit the gounds set by the church. Now, the Catholic Church has LONG married inter-racial couples (the Church is far more integrated racially and has been for far longer than nearly all Protestant sects.) Fact is, religious institutions are not FORCED to marry anyone they don't want to. The Church was not required to marry my wife and I. We had to meet the requirements set out by the Archdiocese of Atlanta, and could not get a Church wedding before those requirements were met. The Church will still continue to deny same sex marriages as they do not qualify for a Catholic wedding - and never will.
    You're Catholic. I was talking about Christians. (ba dink boop)

    But seriously folks . . .

    I can't tell what your argument is with my post.

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