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    Re: Simple question

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    .... the fact that the vast majority of catholic priests and homosexuals are not pedophiles.
    It is very unlikely that a homosexual couple are pedophiles, they have an adult sexual relationship that people are aware of; while a priest has no sexual relationship that people are aware of, which is perfectly compatible with being a pedophile. It's much easier for me to make an informed choice.

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    Re: Simple question

    At this time not a single vote for the priest
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    It's become very apparent that there is nothing respectable about faith
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    Re: Simple question

    My son is 42, and my daughter is 40. They can handle it either way.

    Were they still children, I wouldn't leave them unsupervised with anyone I didn't know and trust implicitly, regardless of their religion or sexual orientation.
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    Re: Simple question

    I said i was indifferent to the choice, but if i knew a catholic priest and gay couple and they were equally decent people i liked... id probably leave them with the priest(especially a catholic one) they'd probably need the discipline and i think it would be good for them.

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    Re: Simple question

    I think this question is somewhat inappropiate. You are asserting that a gay couple are potential pedophiles just by being who they are and that is ridiculous. Not all Catholic priests are pedophiles, but as seeing that the church seems to have a problem with such, it at least makes sense that people would have pause. Lumping the gay couple with the priests is suggestive of something that is totally misleading and wrong.

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    Re: Simple question

    The gay couple. Priest scare me.....


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    Re: Simple question

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I think this question is somewhat inappropiate. You are asserting that a gay couple are potential pedophiles just by being who they are and that is ridiculous. Not all Catholic priests are pedophiles, but as seeing that the church seems to have a problem with such, it at least makes sense that people would have pause. Lumping the gay couple with the priests is suggestive of something that is totally misleading and wrong.


    Actually I was thinking along the lines of trust for a stereotype. Yes I realize that it's oversimplification and unfair, but it does point out that the moral high ground the priesthood has claimed, in the past, is all but gone.
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    Re: Simple question

    No offense but this seems like a bait thread to me...
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    Re: Simple question

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    It is very unlikely that a homosexual couple are pedophiles, they have an adult sexual relationship that people are aware of; while a priest has no sexual relationship that people are aware of, which is perfectly compatible with being a pedophile. It's much easier for me to make an informed choice.
    The fact a catholic priest has no sexual relationship is irrelevant.A pedophile will molest/rape kids regardless if they are in a relationship with another adult or single. After all 50% of those arrested for pedophilia are married. This whole catholic priests are pedophiles, a significant portion of catholic priests are pedophiles or more likely to be pedophiles is nothing more than anti-catholic bigotry.


    Pedophilia - children, causes, DSM, functioning, therapy, adults, person, people
    In the United States, about 50% of men arrested for pedophilia are married.
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    Re: Simple question

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fact a catholic priest has no sexual relationship is irrelevant.A pedophile will molest/rape kids regardless if they are in a relationship with another adult or single. After all 50% of those arrested for pedophilia are married. This whole catholic priests are pedophiles, a significant portion of catholic priests are pedophiles or more likely to be pedophiles is nothing more than anti-catholic bigotry.


    Pedophilia - children, causes, DSM, functioning, therapy, adults, person, people
    In the United States, about 50% of men arrested for pedophilia are married.
    Married US couples: 55521868. Thatís 55,521,868 men.
    Some data I found on priests:
    Some of the raw data contained in the report:
    Years covered: 1950 to 2002.

    Percentage of bishops who provided information: 97% 3

    Total number of allegations of sexual abuse of children by priests: 11,000.
    Number substantiated: 6,700 (61%).
    Number unsubstantiated: 1,000 (9.1%).
    Number which were not investigated because the allegations were made after the priest's death: 3,300.


    Number of priests who served during the interval: 110,000.
    Number of priests alleged to have abused children: 4,450.
    Percentage of abusive priests: 4.0%


    Number of priests who are currently serving: 44,000

    Number of cases of abuse per priest:
    Most priests were accused of a single event
    1,112 priests (25.0%) had two or three allegations
    578 priests (13%) had four to nine allegations.
    133 priests (2.9%) had ten or more allegations.


    Age of the victims:
    Almost 6% were 7 years of age or younger.
    16% were 8, 9 or 10 years old.
    78% were 11 to 17 years old.


    My notes: Sex with an 11 or 12 year old is definitely pedophilia. But Iíll just use 10 years old or younger, so 22%. A normal married man with 2 or 3 allegations would be in big trouble, but Iíll use 4 or more allegations, 16%.
    Some calculations: So thatís 4.0% times 22% times 16% equals 0.141% of priests are seriously pedophiles. A very small percentage! Next how many married men are pedophiles; well if they are then same as priests its 0.0014 times 55,521,868 equals 7,817,479 married pedophiles. If they are 50% of the pedophiles then there are 15,000,000 cases where there have been multiple complaints and very young victims in the US.Sure.

    I stand by my previous post even more that before. You donít understand meaning of the data you posted. It sure helped me.

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