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Are you proud to be an American?

Are you proud to be an American?


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First you acknowledge that there is evolution in cultures that is different in different parts of the world.

Then you acknowledge that this difference has created potentially beneficial "American" qualities.

Then you acknowledge that these qualities could be used to make America the "best place on earth."

Thus, you believe in the possibility of countries becoming exceptional as a result of evolution that has taken place more-so within it than other places.

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More so than other places? Really. When did I say that?

On the contrary, I think that developing that particular advantage without any real maturity on the part of the culture actually has a better chance of going south. I think I'm playing losing odds. But I could still be wrong, and with enough motivation, I could definitely be wrong.

Furthermore, just about any society could be argued to have certain paths to success. America is not unique in that way. And what I actually said is that it has those particular qualities more so than any place I have personally been to. I did not say it was "better" or even that it had more potential.

Once again, you just ignore what I say to make it convenient to you. It's the only way you can even pretend to respond, isn't it.
 
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I was going to reply to your post, and got as far as --

Sports are a training course in irrational jingoism.

-- before I burst out laughing. With all due respect, that is one of the most paranoid, preposterous sentences I have ever heard. Everything you say is punctuated by dementia.

You think Cuba is "state-Capitalist?" They call themselves socialist. They held a parade on May 14th of this year, explicitly to "honor socialism." When Raul Castro raised state pensions in April of 2008, he went on the record saying it was honor those who defended socialism. Defection of Cuban doctor is a trend that has been growing for years, with medical professionals taking back toilet paper when they're abroad. Trust me, I know all I need to know about your ideology. I've read the rants from Bakunin (in the original), Murray Rothbard, as well as other scions of various anarchist branches.

I have absolutely considered the implications of rights not being inborn. I've made peace with it a long time ago, because it's the truth. If you choose to believe in some code that all humans are owed, then I laugh at your supposed atheism. All you're doing is praying to a different "god." You are born with nothing. You die with nothing. You are owed nothing.

The fact that you're arguing the United States is the world's most prolific perpetrator of terrorism by its own definition is laughable, considering that same definition doesn't recognize acts perpetrated by recognized states. Terrorism by that definition is necessarily sub-national. Anything perpetrated by a state (according to the US definition) is considered something else.

Honestly, it's hardly worth validating you with responses at all.
 
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More so than other places? Really. When did I say that?

On the contrary, I think that developing that particular advantage without any real maturity on the part of the culture actually has a better chance of going south. I think I'm playing losing odds. But I could still be wrong, and with enough motivation, I could definitely be wrong.

Furthermore, just about any society could be argued to have certain paths to success. America is not unique in that way. And what I actually said is that it has those particular qualities more so than any place I have personally been to. I did not say it was "better" or even that it had more potential.

Once again, you just ignore what I say to make it convenient to you. It's the only way you can even pretend to respond, isn't it.

Oh please. You constantly harp about "civility" and how the United States is so "uncivilized" unless compared to third world countries (which, by the way, I find hilarious. Even I don't claim to call certain countries more civilized than others). You've already said you think you're playing losing odds, so obviously you don't even really believe in this "equality of potential" that you're arguing for. Yet here you are, claiming that countries can evolve along different (a label that includes "faster" and "easier") lines to become exceptional (that is to say, better than all others in the world), because of their unique "qualities." It goes against everything you've said.

You're just hoping that America becomes more to your liking, and that this change will make you feel less pissed. I can't speak for the former. As for the latter, I doubt it will.

Frankly I don't really buy this "battle" narrative -- I was mostly just humoring you by going along with it. It seems to me like this whole "I came back to save the country" story is the self-justification of a melodramatic, and ultimately unhappy person who despises their hometown. Just because you came back to help some people out, doesn't mean you have to turn it into a soap about putting your money where your mouth is.

Honestly, it's quite senseless debating with a person who ranks countries by their civility. No offense, I find that pretty repugnant. I'm done with this thread.
 
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And you're certainly a shining example of civility yourself. :roll:

You don't really address any of my points, ever. Just go for shallow and ineffectual ad hominum's, toed along a very careful line.

NG is actually quite right - what you're espousing is simply blind jingoism. You can't be reasoned with. Adieu.
 
I was going to reply to your post, and got as far as --
-- before I burst out laughing. With all due respect, that is one of the most paranoid, preposterous sentences I have ever heard. Everything you say is punctuated by dementia.

There's nothing 'paranoid' about it. Sports fans are irrational and jingoistic. Literally.

You think Cuba is "state-Capitalist?"

Yeah. Again, this based on a very cursory overview, but yeah. Most, if not all, of the 'Socialist' bloc was state-capitalist.

They call themselves socialist. They held a parade on May 14th of this year, explicitly to "honor socialism." When Raul Castro raised state pensions in April of 2008, he went on the record saying it was honor those who defended socialism.

Saying something doesn't make it true. The fact that the Cuban government proclaims itself to be Socialist is irrelevent. What matters is what it does, how it functions. If we define Socialism by the bulk of the intellectual history of Socialist thought; it's not even close.

Trust me, I know all I need to know about your ideology. I've read the rants from Bakunin (in the original), Murray Rothbard, as well as other scions of various anarchist branches.

Then you should know better than to say such ridiculous things.

I have absolutely considered the implications of rights not being inborn. I've made peace with it a long time ago, because it's the truth. If you choose to believe in some code that all humans are owed, then I laugh at your supposed atheism. All you're doing is praying to a different "god." You are born with nothing. You die with nothing. You are owed nothing.

This idea is, in no way, religious, or comperable to religion. It is an ethical proposition about man's responsibility to man.

The fact that you're arguing the United States is the world's most prolific perpetrator of terrorism by its own definition is laughable, considering that same definition doesn't recognize acts perpetrated by recognized states. Terrorism by that definition is necessarily sub-national. Anything perpetrated by a state (according to the US definition) is considered something else.

Yeah, you said it, yourself; the only reason that this definition isn't applied to the United States is that the United States does not officially use those criteria to judge state actors. That's deliberate.

Honestly, it's hardly worth validating you with responses at all.

I was thinking the same thing. Again, essentially, I'm arguing with your religious beliefs, which is pointless.
 
And you're certainly a shining example of civility yourself. :roll:

You don't really address any of my points, ever. Just go for shallow and ineffectual ad hominum's, toed along a very careful line.

NG is actually quite right - what you're espousing is simply blind jingoism. You can't be reasoned with. Adieu.
wrong. he's completely annihilated your attempted points. you're the one who's been reduced to dodges and shallow diversion.
 
this thread is the same as a global warming thread, an abortion thread, and many others.
the liberals side with the pessimistic side of worldview. they blame america and condemn america.
it's a great thread, though....regardless of the fact that no minds will be changed. it proves a lot.
it proves the liberal mentality to be treasonous to the very principles which a nation is defined.
but it is a worthless discussion. liberals will stand against this country, regardless of the life this
country has blessed them with.

This, of course, is absurd and is quite an ironic post. There are several liberals here, me included, who identified that they are proud to be an American. You have demonstrated that inflexible thinking of a conservative hack, perfectly.
 
wrong. he's completely annihilated your attempted points. you're the one who's been reduced to dodges and shallow diversion.

Perhaps in lews-land, but I have learned rather quickly that lews-land has precious little in common with reality.
 
I can take the bad with the good.

I'll always be proud of the USA.
 
I was going to reply to your post, and got as far as --



-- before I burst out laughing. With all due respect, that is one of the most paranoid, preposterous sentences I have ever heard. Everything you say is punctuated by dementia.

You think Cuba is "state-Capitalist?" They call themselves socialist. They held a parade on May 14th of this year, explicitly to "honor socialism." When Raul Castro raised state pensions in April of 2008, he went on the record saying it was honor those who defended socialism. Defection of Cuban doctor is a trend that has been growing for years, with medical professionals taking back toilet paper when they're abroad. Trust me, I know all I need to know about your ideology. I've read the rants from Bakunin (in the original), Murray Rothbard, as well as other scions of various anarchist branches.

I have absolutely considered the implications of rights not being inborn. I've made peace with it a long time ago, because it's the truth. If you choose to believe in some code that all humans are owed, then I laugh at your supposed atheism. All you're doing is praying to a different "god." You are born with nothing. You die with nothing. You are owed nothing.

The fact that you're arguing the United States is the world's most prolific perpetrator of terrorism by its own definition is laughable, considering that same definition doesn't recognize acts perpetrated by recognized states. Terrorism by that definition is necessarily sub-national. Anything perpetrated by a state (according to the US definition) is considered something else.

Honestly, it's hardly worth validating you with responses at all.

he's not wrong about the sports.
 
I feel slighted, there's no Proud to be British thread.
 
absolutely i'm proud of and love my Country. i'm not blind enough to think that they don't ever make mistakes, but that doesn't erase everything my Country has done that does makes me feel proud and grateful to be one of it's citizens.

Alfred:
why do we fall sir? so that we can learn to pick ourselves up.

Batman:
you still haven't given up on me?

Alfred:
never.
 
I don't have any more influence over where I was born than I do my race or gender.
There is absolutely NO reason to be proud of one's nationality. It's typically just an excuse for xenophobic nationalism, or used to justify wars of choice in order to "civilize" savage people in other countries.

I don't really see anything wrong with nationalism. There's nothing wrong with thinking your country is better than the other countries. The way I see it is my family>my town>my county>my state>my country>the world.

The white house is important, but my house is more important.
 
Too many abortion clinics and titty bars. plus, americans are so fearful they put an illegal in office. Americans are cowards. Brainwashed into NOTHING.
 
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