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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    There's simply no point in being proud of something that doesn't warrant pride to begin with. For the vast majority of Americans, being an American is simply a result of circumstance. It is simply irrational to be proud of something that was handed to you from birth. Naturalized citizens, now they might have a better case.
    human nature is based on ego. anyone who doesn't feel pride based on circumstance is in denial of his own nature.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    human nature is based on ego. anyone who doesn't feel pride based on circumstance is in denial of his own nature.
    That's just a stupid assertion. I don't deny being Asian, male, straight, American, a 21-year-old, or a Marylander.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's just a stupid assertion. I don't deny being Asian, male, straight, American, a 21-year-old, or a Marylander.
    you deny the ego.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    I am proud, and lucky to be an American. So many opportunities are awarded to me simply because of where I was born.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    you deny the ego.
    no ego is necessary when it comes to things that are handed to you at birth.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    no ego is necessary when it comes to things that are handed to you at birth.
    ego is inherent.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    I'm proud of my country, although I'm not always proud of what my government has done in her name.

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    No. As other have said, why would I be proud of the chunk of dirt I happened to be born on? Whatever I make have done towards the end of having a positive impact on the place I live, I could have done that anywhere.

    In addition, I am often tempted to be ashamed of the way my country acts.
    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    There's absolutely no sense in taking pride in which nation-state I happened to have been born in, a random quirk of circumstance, in which I had no part, whatsoever. While we're on the subject, nation-states are fundamentally illegitimate institutions, and, therefore, shouldn't exist.

    I really don't understand comments like this.

    Having been born in and lived in eastern Europe, I almost can't help but be proud of this country. For all its faults, this is a great place to live with a rich and altruistic history -- sure it's done some pretty despicable things. But what country hasn't? I like the United States. I'm proud to live in a place with such a Constitution -- a place that supports freedom in word and in spirit, if not always in deed. And you, you who have had the fortune of being born here from the beginning of your lives? I would think you'd be even more proud than I am.

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    I really don't understand comments like this.

    Having been born in and lived in eastern Europe, I almost can't help but be proud of this country. For all its faults, this is a great place to live with a rich and altruistic history -- sure it's done some pretty despicable things. But what country hasn't? I like the United States. I'm proud to live in a place with such a Constitution -- a place that supports freedom in word and in spirit, if not always in deed. And you, you who have had the fortune of being born here from the beginning of your lives? I would think you'd be even more proud than I am.

    I hope you're at least thankful. Trust me, it could be a lot worse than this.
    This is so true and you sir being from eastern Europe would know. That said welcome to America, there will always be those who feel empty and ungrateful for the circumstance they have been placed in or earned, it's just human nature.

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm proud of my country, although I'm not always proud of what my government has done in her name.
    I am with ya on this.

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