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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    We are a nation of fast food.
    I'd get away from those documentaries (went to Mcdonalds today to meet a colleague) *ducks
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    No. I'm proud of certain things I personally have accomplished, but I take no credit for the accomplishments made by other Americans.

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    bad anology...point still stands. Me being proud to be an American makes about as much sense as being proud of my gender, my race, my heterosexuality.
    yes. i understand that people in contemporary society are being indoctrinated to feel less pride in life.
    the lack of ego and arrogance in a society makes it more manageable, in regards to government corruption and control
    being able to manipulate the masses into a form of servitude.
    you brought up fast food....but let's look at a different analogy. take sports, for instance. i'm from indy, so i'll use the colts
    for my example.
    if the members of the colts roster don't take pride in their team, wouldn't you agree that this would negatively
    effect their performance on the field?
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    yes. i understand that people in contemporary society are being indoctrinated to feel less pride in life.
    the lack of ego and arrogance in a society makes it more manageable, in regards to government corruption and control
    being able to manipulate the masses into a form of servitude.
    you brought up fast food....but let's look at a different analogy. take sports, for instance. i'm from indy, so i'll use the colts
    for my example.
    if the members of the colts roster don't take pride in their team, wouldn't you agree that this would negatively
    effect their performance on the field?
    Yeah, of course...that doesn't take away from the fact that sports fandom is an inherently irrational enterprise.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yeah, of course...that doesn't take away from the fact that sports fandom is an inherently irrational enterprise.
    it doesn't matter about the fans, i'm referring to the team. and i think this lack of pride in our nation, which is kind of like a "team" at
    the global level, has a negative impact on the country itself. if the people in this country don't take pride in it? we're just going to keep losing
    because no one gives a **** enough to emotionally invest in it's positive future.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    it doesn't matter about the fans, i'm referring to the team. and i think this lack of pride in our nation, which is kind of like a "team" at
    the global level, has a negative impact on the country itself. if the people in this country don't take pride in it? we're just going to keep losing
    because no one gives a **** enough to emotionally invest in it's positive future.
    Disagree. People who don't feel "pride" in their country can still love it and invest in it emotionally. After all, we live here, we have an interest in making it a better place for us and our children and grandchildren. Rationally speaking, I believe pride is an emotion that should be reserved for personal, or small team/group accomplishments.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    what it implies is the dullard mentality of mediocrity. it's shame in the passive-aggressive form.
    No, it's not. I am neither proud nor ashamed of my left arm. Lack of pride does not denote shame.

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    No, it's not. I am neither proud nor ashamed of my left arm. Lack of pride does not denote shame.
    I feel a lot closer to my right hand.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    No, it's not. I am neither proud nor ashamed of my left arm. Lack of pride does not denote shame.
    lack of pride is actually worse than shame. at least shame motivates. the "lack of pride" simply stagnates, decays, and vanishes.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    lack of pride is actually worse than shame. at least shame motivates. the "lack of pride" simply stagnates, decays, and vanishes.
    There's simply no point in being proud of something that doesn't warrant pride to begin with. For the vast majority of Americans, being an American is simply a result of circumstance. It is simply irrational to be proud of something that was handed to you from birth. Naturalized citizens, now they might have a better case.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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