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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    yes...because only the liberal can be ashamed of that which he loves.
    A lack of pride does not imply the presence of shame.

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    A lack of pride does not imply the presence of shame.
    what it implies is the dullard mentality of mediocrity. it's shame in the passive-aggressive form.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Me too. I like the ideals of this country, and I'm proud to be a product of those ideals. And when this country fails to live up to those ideas, I want to help it get back on the path, rather than wash my hands of it. I'm proud to be American.
    I am about to give up on this country TBH. I think both parties have ran it into the ground and the way it looks, they won't be turning it around anytime soon. Instead, I see them wage war on the wrong things. They aren't going back to our nation's principles, they are going back to their party's principles.

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    yes...because only the liberal can be ashamed of that which he loves.
    1) Not being proud does not mean being ashamed.

    2) Loving something does not mean that one has to be proud of it. I love America the same way I love Big Macs. They're both ****ing awesome. Should I be proud of Big Macs?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    As I would say, "at your service with my compliments", and yes I proud to be American.

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    1) Not being proud does not mean being ashamed.

    2) Loving something does not mean that one has to be proud of it. I love America the same way I love Big Macs. They're both ****ing awesome. Should I be proud of Big Macs?
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    1) Not being proud does not mean being ashamed.

    2) Loving something does not mean that one has to be proud of it. I love America the same way I love Big Macs. They're both ****ing awesome. Should I be proud of Big Macs?
    Though the comparison between fast food and the nation would understandably upset many.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    1) Not being proud does not mean being ashamed.

    2) Loving something does not mean that one has to be proud of it. I love America the same way I love Big Macs. They're both ****ing awesome. Should I be proud of Big Macs?
    that's a stupid analogy.....unless of course you are what you eat, as the old saying goes.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by lewstherin View Post
    that's a stupid analogy.....unless of course you are what you eat, as the old saying goes.
    bad anology...point still stands. Me being proud to be an American makes about as much sense as being proud of my gender, my race, my heterosexuality. Loving and being proud of something are two different things. That's the primary distinction between patriotism and nationalism. Not being proud of something does not entail not loving it, nor does it imply being ashamed.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 06-25-11 at 07:33 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Though the comparison between fast food and the nation would understandably upset many.
    We are a nation of fast food.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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