View Poll Results: Are you proud to be an American?

Voters
71. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes.

    52 73.24%
  • No.

    19 26.76%
Page 18 of 25 FirstFirst ... 81617181920 ... LastLast
Results 171 to 180 of 245

Thread: Are you proud to be an American?

  1. #171
    Sage
    SmokeAndMirrors's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    RVA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    18,173

    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I've already explained that 1. There are things about America I find special - though I don't find they make us better as they're practiced, and 2. I have considered that, and my reason for not doing so was trying to improve what I feel is wrong - after all, if I'm going to bitch about it and I'm able to influence it, not trying to influence it is a bit hypocritical.

    I answered CC's question. But I find Spud's assertion strange, and I think it's the reason why America is lagging so badly over the last couple decades. People feeling satisfied for doing nothing.
    ...Or things that never actually happened in reality, or happened completely differently.

  2. #172
    Global Moderator
    The Hammer of Chaos
    Goshin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Dixie
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,185

    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    My family's been here since before the Revolution. Believe me, I'm aware of its great moments.

    But I think the bad heavily outweight the good. And even if that weren't the case, why on earth would I be proud of something I had nothing do with? You still can't answer that.
    So, since you think America is so bad, I assume you've renounced your citizenship? After all, why would you want to be associated with such an evil nation.

    If I thought America was as awful as you seem to, I'd be calling my Canadian buddies and telling them to expect company...

    Fiddling While Rome Burns
    ISIS: Carthago Delenda Est
    "I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."

  3. #173
    Global Moderator
    I'm a Jedi Master, Yo

    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    152,759

    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Why, exactly? If anything, I think it's far better to have pride in the things you actually do. You are then driven to, you know... do things. If you are able to be self-satisfied for doing absolutely nothing and watching other people do stuff instead, what motivation do you have to be a productive person?
    Now you're changing the definition. We've established that for this discussion pride = Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an association... and in this case, the association would be America. Now, if you do not take pleasure or satisfaction in being associated with America... which, I believe in post #150, you stated a negative, then you would not be proud to be an American.

    Here's your post:

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Nope. Possession and achievment don't apply to simply being born into a nation, so all that's left is association. Since America claims to be developed, I am judging it under those terms. America consistently underforms in nearly every metric. I am not proud to be associated with it.
    Now, this is what we are discussing... not the alteration in the definition that you are attempting to use.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  4. #174
    Sage
    SmokeAndMirrors's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    RVA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    18,173

    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    So, since you think America is so bad, I assume you've renounced your citizenship? After all, why would you want to be associated with such an evil nation.

    If I thought America was as awful as you seem to, I'd be calling my Canadian buddies and telling them to expect company...
    Typical. "If you don't like it, get out!"

    If you had read my earlier posts on this thread, you would know. I had the opportunity to do so twice. I decided not to so that I could put my money where my mouth was and try to make it better, because I don't care about "America." I care about people. And there are people here who suffer a lot, don't need to, and I can help change that. I can affect more positive change by staying where change is more needed than by leaving and being content. I was happier living abroad, but I wasn't as meaningful.

  5. #175
    Sage
    SmokeAndMirrors's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    RVA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    18,173

    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Now you're changing the definition. We've established that for this discussion pride = Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an association... and in this case, the association would be America. Now, if you do not take pleasure or satisfaction in being associated with America... which, I believe in post #150, you stated a negative, then you would not be proud to be an American.

    Here's your post:

    Now, this is what we are discussing... not the alteration in the definition that you are attempting to use.
    Talk to Spud about it. I was responding to his post and whatever definition he was using, not yours.

  6. #176
    Distributist
    Jeezy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    10-14-15 @ 03:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    1,326

    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    My family's been here since before the Revolution. Believe me, I'm aware of its great moments.

    But I think the bad heavily outweight the good. And even if that weren't the case, why on earth would I be proud of something I had nothing do with? You still can't answer that.

    As to the wiki article, I would like the know the methadology. America has one of the lowest literacy rates and life expectancies in the developed world that I know of.

    U.S. Lags In Life Expectancy Gains - Science News

    List of countries by literacy rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I've already answered it, albeit in a response to NGN.

    First of all, if you are not proud of those things, then you can't really be ashamed of that "last to civil rights" thing you mentioned several pages back. You weren't there.

    Second of all, it doesn't matter if you were there to PERSONALLY sign the constitution. By participating in certain institutions and privileges, you are helping to perpetuate the rights that those people you admire helped instill. I am proud to vote. I am proud to not be banned from clubs because I'm Jewish. I am proud to associate myself with all the positive characteristics ascribed to Americans. Are all of them unique? No. But who cares? Like I said, I'd be proud of I were Swedish, but I don't feel Swedish.

    Third of all, here's the methodology for HDI: http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDI_methodology.pdf

    Fourth...AHHHH now we're getting to the root of the matter. Ultimately, you believe that the bad in America outweighs the good, and THAT informs your opinion on American patriotism, etc. We could have started with this and saved a lot of time.
    Last edited by Jeezy; 06-26-11 at 04:07 AM.
    SWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAG
    Quote Originally Posted by Josie
    Thanks for your awesomeness, Jeezy.

  7. #177
    Distributist
    Jeezy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    10-14-15 @ 03:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    1,326

    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Typical. "If you don't like it, get out!"

    If you had read my earlier posts on this thread, you would know. I had the opportunity to do so twice. I decided not to so that I could put my money where my mouth was and try to make it better, because I don't care about "America." I care about people. And there are people here who suffer a lot, don't need to, and I can help change that. I can affect more positive change by staying where change is more needed than by leaving and being content. I was happier living abroad, but I wasn't as meaningful.
    ....so go to Sudan?

    I feel like they need a lot more help. Your mouth would have a lot more money in it if you went.
    SWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAG
    Quote Originally Posted by Josie
    Thanks for your awesomeness, Jeezy.

  8. #178
    Sage
    SmokeAndMirrors's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    RVA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    18,173

    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    I'm not ashamed of our history. Disappointed, maybe. What I'm ashamed of is the bad things going on now, which I have tried to affect but have so far failed to. Thus, it applies to me.

    I have lived in countries I was far happier with. I considered moving there permanently. I still wasn't "proud." Even though I affected society, I had nothing to do with what that plot of land calls itself. I was appreciative, though.

  9. #179
    Sage
    SmokeAndMirrors's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    RVA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    18,173

    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    ....so go to Sudan?

    I feel like they need a lot more help. Your mouth would have a lot more money in it if you went.
    I would, but for practicality. There's a line over which it simply becomes suicidal. As a woman, that line is closer than it would be for a man. And as a white person, that line is closer still than it would be if I were black. Practically speaking, there is nothing I can do in an environment like Sudan other than put band-aids over bullet holes. They have to do that themselves. Also, I am already a citizen of a country that is struggling to maintain its status as a developed country. It is easier and more effective for me to stay. Though I have drawn a hard line of when such a time would be that I would leave.

  10. #180
    Sage
    The Giant Noodle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Northern Illinois
    Last Seen
    11-03-14 @ 05:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,333

    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    What kind of STUPID ****ing question is THIS!?!?! Im poor and god damn PROUD to be an American!!!!!
    CORPORATE GREED AND UNION GREED
    DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
    DESTROYING THE BEST OF AMERICA ONE DAY AT A TIME

    This is the worst kind of discrimination. The kind against ME! ~ Bender

Page 18 of 25 FirstFirst ... 81617181920 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •