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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    there's much to love about your Country, but i'm not American.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    I'd like to say, for people who share this opinion or similar:
    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No. Why would I be proud of something I had no control over?
    It must really suck to not have pride in your country, sports team, and your friends or family, that you can't feel pride in someone for overcoming a great difficulty, for a team or athlete exceeding all expectations if you had no hand in it. I have a cousin who is an extraordinary guitarist, I'm proud when I see her playing stuff by Django Reinhart, even though I had no hand in her success.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Many Americans do say we're the best on earth. This is factually false. We are, in fact, at the bottom of the barrel of the developed nations of the world. I don't have any opinion about someone who hangs a flag, as I don't know the context simply by seeing it. Some contexts I would find justified, and others ridiculous.
    List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    We're 4th in the world, taking into account life expectancy, literacy, education and standards of living, as measured by the metric the UN uses to determine overall quality of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    But "self" and "national" are extremely different. I think tradition is irrelevant and usually pointless. At its worst, it holds societies back frmo growing. Our history is full of blood and injustice. This is true for many developed countries, but most have a better-looking recent history. I admit this is due to the fact that America's history is shorter and we haven't really matured as a country. But still, our history isn't much to be proud of. As far as the characteristics of our people, again, they are mostly not favorable. We are some of the least educated and least tolerant people in the developed world. From my own experience, Americans are also the most passionate, and I do have an appreciation for that. But when combined with everything else, it is usually aimed poorly and nothing to be proud of.
    Because, you've chosen to view it that way. You can be mindful of American shortcomings and still be proud. I know we killed Allende, put Mohammed Reza Pahlavi on the throne, etc. And yet I'm proud. Imagine that.

    I realize that self and national different. That's why the definition changes. I don't think pride HAS to be intemperate or overindulgent. If I'm proud of myself, I feel a healthy respect for myself. If I'm proud of my nation, I feel a healthy respect for my nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Problem is, by the metric of developed countries, we aren't much good at anything. We have unique characteristics that carry the potential for great things, but we very seldom live up to it. It's a shame. And it causes me to be disappointed more often than not.
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    We're 4th in the world, taking into account life expectancy, literacy, education and standards of living, as measured by the metric the UN uses to determine overall quality of life.

    Seems like we're doing pretty good overall, as measured by the United Nations. We can trade charts all day long, but ultimately things are quite good here.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    It must really suck to not have pride in your country, sports team, and your friends or family, that you can't feel pride in someone for overcoming a great difficulty, for a team or athlete exceeding all expectations if you had no hand in it. I have a cousin who is an extraordinary guitarist, I'm proud when I see her playing stuff by Django Reinhart, even though I had no hand in her success.
    Why, exactly? If anything, I think it's far better to have pride in the things you actually do. You are then driven to, you know... do things. If you are able to be self-satisfied for doing absolutely nothing and watching other people do stuff instead, what motivation do you have to be a productive person?

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Why, exactly? If anything, I think it's far better to have pride in the things you actually do. You are then driven to, you know... do things. If you are able to be self-satisfied for doing absolutely nothing and watching other people do stuff instead, what motivation do you have to be a productive person?
    You're complicating the question way too much.

    CC's definition is appropriate: do you feel satisfaction or pleasure at being associated with the USA? Are you glad to be a US citizen? Then you can say you're "proud" of your country.

    If not, if there is NOTHING special about America to you, if being associated with America displeases you....then by gosh go somewhere that suits you better and renounce your citizenship.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    We would be #1 if we had universal healthcare... sigh

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Why, exactly? If anything, I think it's far better to have pride in the things you actually do. You are then driven to, you know... do things. If you are able to be self-satisfied for doing absolutely nothing and watching other people do stuff instead, what motivation do you have to be a productive person?
    You can take pride in things you don't do yourself, and not have it affect your motivation to do stuff yourself. I can be proud of my niece for getting all A's, but that isn't going to stop me from wanting to get good grades.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    Because, you've chosen to view it that way. You can be mindful of American shortcomings and still be proud. I know we killed Allende, put Mohammed Reza Pahlavi on the throne, etc. And yet I'm proud. Imagine that.

    I realize that self and national different. That's why the definition changes. I don't think pride HAS to be intemperate or overindulgent. If I'm proud of myself, I feel a healthy respect for myself. If I'm proud of my nation, I feel a healthy respect for my nation.
    My family's been here since before the Revolution. Believe me, I'm aware of its great moments.

    But I think the bad heavily outweight the good. And even if that weren't the case, why on earth would I be proud of something I had nothing do with? You still can't answer that.

    As to the wiki article, I would like the know the methadology. America has one of the lowest literacy rates and life expectancies in the developed world that I know of.

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Why, exactly? If anything, I think it's far better to have pride in the things you actually do. You are then driven to, you know... do things. If you are able to be self-satisfied for doing absolutely nothing and watching other people do stuff instead, what motivation do you have to be a productive person?
    I am proud of myself too, I'm ****ing awesome, but I'm also proud when my footy team wins (which hasn't happened for a while ), I'm proud of the aforementioned cousin, of my brother for his achievements, and of my country, by the same token I can also feel shame for events that I have no place in, I'm ashamed when my footy team loses, I'm ashamed of my government, and of my father. Even though I have no hand in these things, I can still feel pride or shame (two sides of the same coin) because I have an emotional investment in object or person, and it's this that gives me pride-by-proxy.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You're complicating the question way too much.

    CC's definition is appropriate: do you feel satisfaction or pleasure at being associated with the USA? Are you glad to be a US citizen? Then you can say you're "proud" of your country.

    If not, if there is NOTHING special about America to you, if being associated with America displeases you....then by gosh go somewhere that suits you better and renounce your citizenship.
    I've already explained that 1. There are things about America I find special - though I don't find they make us better as they're practiced, and 2. I have considered that, and my reason for not doing so was trying to improve what I feel is wrong - after all, if I'm going to bitch about it and I'm able to influence it, not trying to influence it is a bit hypocritical.

    I answered CC's question. But I find Spud's assertion strange, and I think it's the reason why America is lagging so badly over the last couple decades. People feeling satisfied for doing nothing.

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