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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    And I repeat, because I have the ability to influence it. The fact that it is an accident of birth is irrelevant.
    And if you influence the country for the positive, would you be proud of it?
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    And if you influence the country for the positive, would you be proud of it?
    Proud of IT? Possibly. That implies pride in my own actions and the actions of others. But certainly not proud of simply being an American.

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    ...really?

    "Opinion polls taken in the late 1980s and early 1990s in most European countries, Japan, and North America, find that Americans are invariably more positive-usually much more so-on items measuring such beliefs than the citizens of the other industrialized democracies. They continue to believe in America and its superiority as a social system. As of the mid-1990s, 75 percent of American adults continue to say that they are proud to be Americans. The corresponding percentages for other countries are: Britain, 54 percent; West Germany, 20 percent; and France 35 percent. The degree of patriotism is higher still for American youth. An astounding 98 percent of young Americans have reported being proud of their nationality. The numbers for youth in the United Kingdom are 58 percent, in German 65 percent, and in France 80 percent. When asked to react to the statement, 'I want to do something to serve my country,' 81 percent of young Americans said yes, compared to 18 percent answering no. The numbers for British youth were 46 percent yes and 42 percent no; for West Germans, they were 29 percent yes to 40 no; while among French youth, the replies were 55 percent yes and 34 no."
    -Seymour Martin Lipset- American Exceptionalism: A Double-Edged Sword
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    It ceratainly serves a purpose. It's good that certain rights are enshrined in American law. However, it's important to note that, first, the state is incapable of creating rights, it can only choose to respect them.


    I have news for you; the only reason your human rights exist is because someone wrote them in a piece of paper. No human being is born with rights, just as no zebra is born in the wild having the right to not be eaten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    It should be noted, however, I like that we are that way. And Lipset thought so too.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post


    I have news for you; the only reason your human rights exist is because someone wrote them in a piece of paper. No human being is born with rights, just as no zebra is born in the wild having the right to not be eaten.
    You should at least keep up the pretense that people have God-given rights. It serves us well.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Proud of IT? Possibly. That implies pride in my own actions and the actions of others. But certainly not proud of simply being an American.
    So if you were to try something on a national level and American would listen to you, you would be proud of America in general?
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You should at least keep up the pretense that people have God-given rights. It serves us well.
    ...which is pretty much the only reason we have them. They're certainly not God-given.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    So if you were to try something on a national level and American would listen to you, you would be proud of America in general?
    I'd be proud of a movement in general of which I was a part. I've been in small-scale situations like that in the past. My pride in it would have to do with the fact that I was directly involved in its existence and execution.

    I have also been in situations where I have been merely "listened to." And I must say I don't care for it. I don't really like heirarchical thinking. I don't like being in the position myself, and I don't like people being sheepish. It's not something that I can respect. I want to know what they actually think, and if they agree, I want to know what their ideas are and I want them to help.

    While I acknowledge there is such a thing as leaders and followers, I think the followers serve a very important purpose, and I don't see them executing it as much as they should. I think that purpose is to be the "double-check" of the leader's ideas. Leaders are frequently the sorts of people who are a bit unhinged, and that double-check is necessary.

    I don't see leader-follower as a hierarchy. I see it as a difference of purpose, but both have a purpose. To me it's more like hypothesis-testing.
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    Re: Are you proud to be an American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    ...which is pretty much the only reason we have them. They're certainly not God-given.
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    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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