- Colonel Paul YinglingNobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.
Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.
All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
Also, again, nation-states are fundamentally illegitimate institutions, therefore, they should not exist.
Economic Left/Right: -7.25, Authoritarian/Libertarian:-7.13
All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume. -Noam Chomsky
“The ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination.”
Second of all..the very tail? of the developed world?
We're ranked #4 on the UN Human Development Index list. It was the United States that rejected balance-of-power diplomacy in Europe and told every OTHER developed nation to get behind the idea of global democratic leadership in the form of the League of Nations and the United Nations. We were one of the first countries in the developed world to give women the right to vote. In fact, we had general universal suffrage before most countries. You think we were the only ones that had an aggressive civil rights movement in the sixties, because of some unique retardation? For someone who thinks your place of birth doesn't really matter, you seem very ready to characterize the country as if it were some sort of conscious person; "The horn America toots itself." In the midst of your pity party, did you ever once think to look up thinks America leads the world in? Or has contributed to the world? Did that ever occur to you? Or do you get off on saying things like this because you think it's a hallmark of intelligence? I'm well aware of America's faults, but I don't think our failure to solve them thus far is because of some imaginary sense of national arrogance which "no" other developed country has. That's completely ridiculous. I've seen worse discrimination on the streets of cosmopolitan European capitals than I've ever seen here. And I spend a lot of time in Georgia, so that's saying a lot. If you're here to help people because you were ashamed, let me save you some time; no one has ever accomplished anything out of shame. If you were really that ashamed, then you'd have packed up and left. I've seen national "shame." I've seen people fleeing with bags on their hands after 1991 because they knew their country had failed them. That's what being "ashamed" of a country means. Doesn't sound like you're ashamed. Just biased.
Originally Posted by Josie
The one area where America does better than most of the rest of the developed world is freedom of speech. As such, that provides unique opportunity for change here that doesn't exist as strongly in other nations.
Since I am already a citizen of this country by accident of birth, it is foolish for me to complain about it and do nothing. I have been presented an opportunity in a country that I find problematic. And living abroad did nothing but affirm for me how serious those problems are.
Are you unable to parse words built for the convenience of conversation? Yes, I personified the US to save myself the time of having to write two sentences to clarify my point. Geez.
I know of no other developed nation in which national pride is seen as normal. Your nationality is an accident of birth, and a stupid thing to take pride in. You didn't do anything. You were simply born. So what?
I'm biased? You're the one screaming about how unappreciative people are for not taking "pride" in something they had nothing to do with. It's as stupid in taking pride in your race. And tell me, who exactly wouldn't be biased?
Do you wish to deny we have a lower life expectancy than most of the developed world, that our crime is higher, and that we are falling behind educationally? I'd like to see you try.
In terms of people fleeing, guess what. It's happening to America. The number of people renouncing their citizenship from America has tripled in the last couple years.
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)