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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    I misread the poll, it's not excessive at all. Here, going 25 miles over is a felony and should be. Learn to drive or get off the road.
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    A know the hypocrisy of conservatism which fights big government only in so far as economic freedom will allow, but falls short of fighting big government in civil and personal freedoms. I know enough about Virginia to know that I don't like their traffic laws, or at least this one.
    You'll need to make a better case to argue that putting other people lives at risk with deadly machinery is somehow a "civil rights" issue.

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I misread the poll, it's not excessive at all. Here, going 25 miles over is a felony and should be. Learn to drive or get off the road.
    WRONG! Don't post false statements because they tend to be read by others and it completely undermines the argument against severity.

    As you know, I was born and raised in Redlands. A quick search on Google will demonstrate that CA Reckless Driving is going 100 miles over the limit (it may be 90 in some jurisdictions or since I left). There may be more discretion up to the officer in regards to traffic conditions, weather, and area (i.e. school). But it is certainly NOT 25 across the board, and 25 over the limit IS NOT a felony. Please don't state such false statements because people have a tendency to believe whatever they read. In Virginia, where I live now, it is 20 mph over the limit MANDATORY.

    As I said before, when I lived in CA (where the standard speed limit is 65 on most freeways), I could have traveled up to 15 mph over the limit without fear of being pulled over. I never traveled faster than 80 and on so many occasions, this rate of speed was actually safe given the speed of other drivers (at least if you're driving in the far 2 left lanes).

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    You'll need to make a better case to argue that putting other people lives at risk with deadly machinery is somehow a "civil rights" issue.
    Driving conditions, weather, and the area where you're driving are important factors in determining proper speed and proper punishment for offenders. Second, it should be a standard rule to let police officers have some discretion in these cases. Finally, I do feel it is a violation of civil rights to be charged with a mandatory misdemeanor simply for traveling a blanket 20 mph over the limit. Severity of punishment can sometimes be so excessive, it is cruel. A permanent criminal record damages a person's ability to retain a career and/or seek a job. We shouldn't slap mandatory misdemeanors on people who commit what is suppose to be an infraction for the same moral reason we shouldn't execute drug smugglers or jail people for nonviolent crimes. As it is today, we're turning our prison systems into a profit-run corporation, and I would think a 'left-libertarian' would be against that. But I suppose labels don't mean anything.

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    WRONG! Don't post false statements because they tend to be read by others and it completely undermines the argument against severity.

    As you know, I was born and raised in Redlands. A quick search on Google will demonstrate that CA Reckless Driving is going 100 miles over the limit (it may be 90 in some jurisdictions or since I left). There may be more discretion up to the officer in regards to traffic conditions, weather, and area (i.e. school). But it is certainly NOT 25 across the board, and 25 over the limit IS NOT a felony. Please don't state such false statements because people have a tendency to believe whatever they read. In Virginia, where I live now, it is 20 mph over the limit MANDATORY.

    As I said before, when I lived in CA (where the standard speed limit is 65 on most freeways), I could have traveled up to 15 mph over the limit without fear of being pulled over. I never traveled faster than 80 and on so many occasions, this rate of speed was actually safe given the speed of other drivers (at least if you're driving in the far 2 left lanes).
    Actually, you're right, it takes another action while speeding to make it a felony, be it causing an accident, being under the influence, etc. However, if there is someone under the age of 12 in the car, you pass a school bus, do it in a school zone, etc., it does raise the speeding charge to a class H felony.
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually, you're right, it takes another action while speeding to make it a felony, be it causing an accident, being under the influence, etc. However, if there is someone under the age of 12 in the car, you pass a school bus, do it in a school zone, etc., it does raise the speeding charge to a class H felony.
    I HIGHLY doubt such circumstances make it a felony. Probably a misdemeanor.

    But do you still believe a mandatory misdemeanor for driving 20 miles over the limit is justified? In the other post (where you believed it was a felony in CA), you seemed to indicate you support it simply because such harsh laws exist elsewhere. Is that a reasonable metric for evaluating justice?

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Not sure if I dig the felony idea...
    I like the idea that I can cruise at 100 or so in a 65 on the beltway at 2-4am when its completely empty... as do the riceburners who don't tend to wanna crash their cars.

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Doing 20 over is reckless.

    Assuming the posted speed was correct to begin with, which in so far a freeways go, it is not.

    The posted speed for freeways should be around 90.
    Actually, that depends on the highway's design speed. Yes, there are actually tables in engineering books that tell us what speed a curve or hilltop is rated for in terms of visibility around the curve and over the tops of hills. Sure, it's easy to see that 10 miles of flat road is pretty safe at any speed - depending on other traffic - but most highways don't meet that description.

    Also, at some point, the vehicle comes into question. I think all of them are safe to 90 MPH assuming they can pass an inspection.
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    This is true, yet it expects the officer to lie on the report in order to give the driver a break. And it is proof that even cops think the rule is excessive.
    I was the beneficiary of this many a yarn ago when I was caught going well over the speed limit as I was trying to get to my cousin's house after a long drive from GA in which I was delayed by bad weather in the Carolinas. He reduced mine to 19 over so I wouldn't have to make the trip back to VA from GA to make the court appearance.
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Driving conditions, weather, and the area where you're driving are important factors in determining proper speed and proper punishment for offenders. Second, it should be a standard rule to let police officers have some discretion in these cases. Finally, I do feel it is a violation of civil rights to be charged with a mandatory misdemeanor simply for traveling a blanket 20 mph over the limit. Severity of punishment can sometimes be so excessive, it is cruel. A permanent criminal record damages a person's ability to retain a career and/or seek a job. We shouldn't slap mandatory misdemeanors on people who commit what is suppose to be an infraction for the same moral reason we shouldn't execute drug smugglers or jail people for nonviolent crimes. As it is today, we're turning our prison systems into a profit-run corporation, and I would think a 'left-libertarian' would be against that. But I suppose labels don't mean anything.
    Maybe we shouldn't pick and choose the rules we follow. Most times, 20 miles over the speed limit is too fast. In arizona, the speed limit is 75 highway, and over that is not tolerated. Would 95 be ok with you?

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