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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    So, the severity doesn't matter all? Should we stick them in prison for a year or two or three or life just because? Is it right to challenge the severity of punishment? I think so. Heck, they chop people's heads off in other countries for being adulterous, and I'm sure you would object to that. The severity of the law is up to debate just as the law itself!

    What you're saying is submit regardless of what the law says or regardless of what the public deems is the right punishment. It's the epitome of a sheepish mentality. Don't question, just follow the crowd. Don't criticize, just accept. We live in a democracy, my friend. Laws and their respective punishments are up to interpretation. And this one is definitely WAY too severe. It's even more ridiculous for digsbe to offer the idea that we need to UP the penalty to a felony! 20 miles over the limit a felony! What world are we living in?
    It's up to Virginia to decide, not some one who wants a lesser penalty so he can speed.
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's up to Virginia to decide, not some one who wants a lesser penalty so he can speed.
    That's a subtle attack on me! I don't want to speed. I'm probably a more cautious driver than you. My wife says I drive like a grandpa. Don't turn this around on me. I'm an objective voice challenging a seemingly ridiculous punishment.

    And your response again is, "shut up, don't question, just submit." Do you have anything else to say? Try justifying it. Why is it necessary to throw people in prison for a felony conviction because they drive 20 miles over the limit? That's not excessive at all?

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Roads and highways tend to have an inherent maximum safe speed, even if traffic is light, and IMO none of the highways in northern VA are safe above 70 which would be 15 over. When I lived in San Diego, 75 was the norm because the highways were in good shape, but that's simply not feasible here. I totally agree that 75 on these highways is reckless.
    You and I apparently live in a different Northern Virginia area. Outside of Rush Hour when there's gridlock its not safe to drive under 70 on most of the highways here...you're liable to be ran over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Too bad there are no exceptions in Virginia.
    Well, not quite true. The Officer can put the mph lower than you were going, clocking you in under reckless.

    While I'm not fond of the misdemeanor charge in Virginia, I don't have a giant issue over it and can honestly say in my 28 years of living in the state I've never actually known someone who actually was jailed for speeding.

    The only road I have a significant issue with it on is the various areas of I-66 and I-81 (there may be some spots on I-64 as well) where the speed limit is 70. It is hard for me to buy that going 10 miles over the speed limit equals "reckless". I think if you're going to have it then an actual flat 20 would be better than the "20 over or 80 total" that we have in place now.

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    A know the hypocrisy of conservatism which fights big government only in so far as economic freedom will allow, but falls short of fighting big government in civil and personal freedoms. I know enough about Virginia to know that I don't like their traffic laws, or at least this one.

    You make a good point how while conservatives tend to rage against government power, they also tend to want the most restrictive and criminal laws with the more severe sentences.

    Generally, when conservatives complaint about government power, they only mean in relation to themselves. They pretty much want anyone doing anything they don't do to be crushed by government.

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You and I apparently live in a different Northern Virginia area. Outside of Rush Hour when there's gridlock its not safe to drive under 70 on most of the highways here...you're liable to be ran over.



    Well, not quite true. The Officer can put the mph lower than you were going, clocking you in under reckless.

    While I'm not fond of the misdemeanor charge in Virginia, I don't have a giant issue over it and can honestly say in my 28 years of living in the state I've never actually known someone who actually was jailed for speeding.

    The only road I have a significant issue with it on is the various areas of I-66 and I-81 (there may be some spots on I-64 as well) where the speed limit is 70. It is hard for me to buy that going 10 miles over the speed limit equals "reckless". I think if you're going to have it then an actual flat 20 would be better than the "20 over or 80 total" that we have in place now.
    Doing 180 mph alone in your vehicle made to do it on an open flat highway isn't "reckless driving." Speeding, but not reckless. A person doing 45 in the left lane on a 7o mph flowing highway is what is reckless, as in dangerous to others.

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Ever since your first response, you've changed the subject entirely into whether or not I will ever take responsibility for my actions and whether or not I even support a law against reckless driving. On both accounts, I do. But the severity of potentially ruining a person's life and their future chances of success because of a single error in judgement or mistake is absolutely cruel punishment.
    Here is an idea for you. Get enough people to contact the Virginia law makers and get the the law changed. Unil then, the law is what it is for that State.
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    Well, not quite true. The Officer can put the mph lower than you were going, clocking you in under reckless.
    This is true, yet it expects the officer to lie on the report in order to give the driver a break. And it is proof that even cops think the rule is excessive.

    While I'm not fond of the misdemeanor charge in Virginia, I don't have a giant issue over it and can honestly say in my 28 years of living in the state I've never actually known someone who actually was jailed for speeding.
    I brought up jail/prison because digsbe actually proposed upping the ante to a felony charge. I couldn't believe it. Reminds me of my debate with Kal'Strang who said those caught texting while driving should be thrown in jail. It is so extremely draconian, I had to check outside to see if I still live in the U.S.A.

    The only road I have a significant issue with it on is the various areas of I-66 and I-81 (there may be some spots on I-64 as well) where the speed limit is 70. It is hard for me to buy that going 10 miles over the speed limit equals "reckless". I think if you're going to have it then an actual flat 20 would be better than the "20 over or 80 total" that we have in place now.
    I'm glad you agree with me. I think we should implement an autobahn-like system where reckless driving is punished and not some arbitrarily decided speed limit number.

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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Here is an idea for you. Get enough people to contact the Virginia law makers and get the the law changed. Unil then, the law is what it is for that State.
    That's nearly identical to what Redress said. "Put up or shut up." I have already contacted my representative. I am already engaged in dialogue with my neighbors and friends, as well the online community here at DP. The law needs to be changed. The mandate needs to be thrown out. The severity needs to be reduced. And those who argue I need to put up or shut up exhibit the signs of political lemmings.
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    In Virginia, there's an entire list of things that could get an ordinary citizen slapped with a misdemeanor charge.

    Virginia Reckless Driving Charges FAQ - VA Reckless Driving Ticket Frequently Asked Questions - Virginia Reckless Driving Summons Ticket Charge

    Simply going over 20 miles over the speed limit; Failing to use turn signals; Simply driving 80 mph; Obstructed view and even learning how to drive in an empty parking lot. See above.

    In your opinion, is this a bit too excessive?

    I live in California where the tickets are very expensive but at least, as far as speed is concerned, the highways are consistent in their posted limit and a maximum leeway of 15 miles over the limit is generally tolerated.

    What are your thoughts?
    Yes, a misdemeanor for 20 over is excessive. IMO you should never get a misdemeanor and a criminal record simply for speeding. If it is a contributor to an accident, that's one thing, but simply travelling 80mph on a 60mph highway shouldn't give you a criminal record, which could hamper efforts to get/keep a job and more. Distracted driving is the cause of more accidents than speed - few accidents are solely the result of speed, usually there are other factors (distracted driving, weather, etc).


    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    What's ridiculous is wanting to lower the penalty of reckless driving. If we need to we can make it a felony, but I would support harsher sentencing when it comes to reckless driving and going 20 over.
    That is idiotic. You really think someone should be given a felony for driving 20mph over? Something that will ruin their career and prevent them from voting, owning firearms, serving as jurors, receiving welfare, and from receiving licenses such as a visa and including professional licenses. All for driving 20mph over.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Doing 180 mph alone in your vehicle made to do it on an open flat highway isn't "reckless driving." Speeding, but not reckless. A person doing 45 in the left lane on a 7o mph flowing highway is what is reckless, as in dangerous to others.
    180mph is reckless though, since at that speed you're not going to see something until it's too late. Too much can happen at that speed, our roads aren't good enough for that. I'm not sure where I'd draw the line though, perhaps 125? If our roads were maintained like the autobahn and our drivers were as well trained as in Germany, then 180 might be feasible. But too many drivers are idiots - camping in the left lane at 5 under, passing on the right, etc. Technically, even in the US you are supposed to keep to the right except to pass and never pass on the right. Nobody does that though, too busy eating their cheerios and doing their makeup...
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    Re: Is Reckless Driving (Misdemeanor) charge for 20 miles over the speed limit excess

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    In Virginia, there's an entire list of things that could get an ordinary citizen slapped with a misdemeanor charge.

    In your opinion, is this a bit too excessive?

    I live in California where the tickets are very expensive but at least, as far as speed is concerned, the highways are consistent in their posted limit and a maximum leeway of 15 miles over the limit is generally tolerated.

    What are your thoughts?
    I have always looked upon laws that create higher prison populations is big government business conducted within not only the government but the private sector also for what I like to call crap crimes. Take the disorderly conduct laws on the books in many states, a peace officer can issue a ticket for almost any reason that can quickly be drummed up.

    Many misdemeanor or higher charged crime laws I have noticed being passed in the past 10-15 years have been very suspect of filling privately owned prisons as the motivation shown through their lobbyist movements.

    PS: reckless driving should be saved for when someone wrecks something caused from their driving , I can see a "care required" ticket, again the work around.
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